Does 1 Timothy 2:11-14 justify the sceptic?

[God's Truth]

We do not find God's Truth and get saved by joining the right denomination.

We must get Jesus' teachings. That is how we search for God.

We get Jesus' teachings in the Holy Bible.

We find God by doing what Jesus says.

There is no true denomination anymore and we do not have to be taught by man or women, only by the Holy Spirit.

Obey Jesus' teachings and he will save you and lead you to all Truth.

 

[Sonnet]

We do not find God's Truth and get saved by joining the right denomination.

We must get Jesus' teachings. That is how we search for God.

We get Jesus' teachings in the Holy Bible.

We find God by doing what Jesus says.

There is no true denomination anymore and we do not have to be taught by man or women, only by the Holy Spirit.

Obey Jesus' teachings and he will save you and lead you to all Truth.

Nevertheless, you don't join a denomination that has teaching contrary to scripture.
Would you join a denomination where the pastor was a woman?

 

[God's Truth]

Nevertheless, you don't join a denomination that has teaching contrary to scripture.
Would you join a denomination where the pastor was a woman?

I would not join ANY denomination.

They all teach falseness.

 

[Sonnet]

I would not join ANY denomination.

They all teach falseness.

You are a Christian not in Church because of their (per your view) false teaching?

 

[God's Truth]

You are a Christian not in Church because of their (per your view) false teaching?

I belong to the body of Christ, and the body of Christ is the only Church.

 

[Sonnet]

I belong to the body of Christ, and the body of Christ is the only Church.

So you can certainly relate to the unbeliever who is totally nonplussed by the divisions in the denominations?

 

[God's Truth]

So you can certainly relate to the unbeliever who is totally nonplussed by the divisions in the denominations?

I can understand perfectly.

One must decide if they want God's truth or some denomination's truth.

All denominations teach false doctrines.

If one wants the truth, then all they have to do is get Jesus' teachings from the Holy Bible and obey those teachings.

In the times of the New Testament, it was not the culture for women to teach and to be taught by other men.

As for in our homes, it is good that women have a humble disposition and do not try to push their beliefs on their resistant husbands.

Without humbleness, for the man and for the woman, one will never enter the kingdom.

 

[Sonnet]

I can understand perfectly.

One must decide if they want God's truth or some denomination's truth.

All denominations teach false doctrines.

If one wants the truth, then all they have to do is get Jesus' teachings from the Holy Bible and obey those teachings.

In the times of the New Testament, it was not the culture for women to teach and to be taught by other men.

As for in our homes, it is good that women have a humble disposition and do not try to push their beliefs on their resistant husbands.

Without humbleness, for the man and for the woman, one will never enter the kingdom.

Paul's reasons are not cultural. He refers to the creation story in 1 Tim 2:11ff and the hierarchical order in 1 Cor 11:3.

 

[jamie]

Would you join a denomination where the pastor was a woman?

Are you going by the obsolete Mosaic covenant or the Abrahamic covenant which does not allow gender discrimination? (Galatians 3:28)

Paul taught physical Israel as well as spiritual Israel. He taught both groups.

 

[Sonnet]

Are you going by the obsolete Mosaic covenant or the Abrahamic covenant which does not allow gender discrimination? (Galatians 3:28)

Paul taught physical Israel as well as spiritual Israel. He taught both groups.

Not too sure of your meaning.

 

[God's Truth]

Paul's reasons are not cultural. He refers to the creation story in 1 Tim 2:11ff and the hierarchical order in 1 Cor 11:3

Right, but we do not have nowadays churches to go to which preach the whole truth anyways.

Women should humble themselves when they want to learn, or if they wanted to teach in church. That is when there was a church to be taught at, when the revelations were just being given.

Men have to be humble, as well as women. Men are to be humble and give up their lives for their wife and women are to be humble and treat her husband with respect, respect which shows her humbleness.

 

[God's Truth]

If there was a believing wife in the home, and an unbeliever husband...the wife cannot be forceful and push her beliefs on her husband. Likewise, if there was a believing husband and an unbelieving wife, he is not to force his beliefs on her. Both must be humble.

 

[Sonnet]

Right, but we do not have nowadays churches to go to which preach the whole truth anyways.

Women should humble themselves when they want to learn, or if they wanted to teach in church. That is when there was a church to be taught at, when the revelations were just being given.

Men have to be humble, as well as women. Men are to be humble and give up their lives for their wife and women are to be humble and treat her husband with respect, respect which shows her humbleness.

You are describing those that claim to follow Christ as being in total disarray aren't you? No doubt some of those denominations would consider your interpretation of scripture as false too.

How can the unbeliever find his way out of such a maze?

 

[Sonnet]

...and without any assurance that scripture is truth...

 

[God's Truth]

You are describing those that claim to follow Christ as being in total disarray aren't you? No doubt some of those denominations would consider your interpretation of scripture as false too.

How can the unbeliever find his way out of such a maze?

I will tell you how, and it is the only Way.

The words of God are powerful and true.

All you have to do is get Jesus' teachings as written in the Holy Bible and do what Jesus says.

All denominations have people who follow what the preacher says and do not check on it according to the Bible.

Satan has ensnared many to preach falseness.

Jesus says he will reveal himself to those who obey.

Even Solomon, son of king David had to search for God on his own.

 

[God's Truth]

...and without any assurance that scripture is truth...

You can find out for yourself without a doubt if the scriptures are true.

I tell you, I know for a fact, but you can know for sure for yourself.

 

[Sonnet]

Right, but we do not have nowadays churches to go to which preach the whole truth anyways.

Women should humble themselves when they want to learn, or if they wanted to teach in church. That is when there was a church to be taught at, when the revelations were just being given.

Men have to be humble, as well as women. Men are to be humble and give up their lives for their wife and women are to be humble and treat her husband with respect, respect which shows her humbleness.

Teach men? Or just teach women?

 

[God's Truth]

Teach men? Or just teach women?

Teach anyone who is willing to listen.

 

[jamie]

Not too sure of your meaning.

The Abrahamic covenant does not allow gender discrimination. (Galatians 3:28)

 

[Sonnet]

Teach anyone who is willing to listen.

Right - so you don't agree with Paul when he said that a woman should not teach and have authority over a man?

How is the unbeliever supposed to make sense of what scripture appears to say and the various interpretations of it?