ECT Do those who believe MAD have no problem disregarding what Jesus actually taught ?

[DAN P]

To me, a liar is one who lies knowingly. I think the reason Dodge doesn't tell the truth is simply because he doesn't know the truth. He's somehow been locked into the fallacy that only those red letters represent the only truth, like many of his ilk seem to do.

When I was first saved, 30+ years ago, I was warned not to buy a red-letter Bible and, Praise God, I never did until about a week ago. I needed a reading AV and this Zondervan one was decent and cheap. I figured that, after 30 years, I was mature enough to know that those red letters are no more inspired than any other part of the Bible, including Paul's writings.

It says in my Bible that Jesus Christ was a minister to the circumcision (Romans 16:8) and that He was manifest to Israel (John 1:31). It also says that Paul was THE Apostle to the Gentiles in several passages. Therefore, it would be nonsensical for me, as a Gentile, to follow the DOCTRINE of Jesus Christ as opposed to that of Paul, in those areas where the 2 doctrines differed.

Here's something else I've often thought about. Since Paul continually received brand new revelations from Christ and/or the Holy Spirit, I can't help but believe that his latter books would be more timely and up-to-date than his earlier books. Only Paul received these revelations. Some of the revelations surely gave additional information to things already revealed but others revealed things that replaced prior information - this is obviously evidenced by the myriad of doctrinal differences between Paul's 1st 7 books and his last 7 books. Due to all this, I feel that any lover of truth should start with Paul's last 7 books and see what they say, without any influence of his 1st 7 books. Only after the last 7 books are mastered, should the student attempt to understand the 1st 7 books.[/QUOTE


Hi and I disagree with the notion that the first 7 letters of Paul should studied LAST and here is WHY !!

First ALL scrcture is for correction and reproof !!

Then in 2 Cor 12:1 we tead Surely , it is not profitable to me tp glory , for I will come to VISIONS and REVELATIONS of ( the ) Lord !!

The thrid verb is IWILL COME IS IN THE gREEK FUTURE TENSE and that means that from Paul's salvation , it was a contance VISIONS and Revelation UNTIL Paul was killed !!

Since you seem to have advanced in the last 7 letters , will you explain How Paul was SAVED , in Acts 9:6 ??

Or tell us how you were saved ?

dan p

 

[DAN P]

Evry place I have read "baptizo" has one meaning which is to immerse.


What is the Greek word for baptism and what does it mean?
However, our word baptize translates the Greek word baptizo, not bapto. While bapto may mean “to dip or immerse,” baptizo does not refer to a mode, but to a process and an effect. While a baptism may include dipping or immersing, baptizo does not, in itself, mean “to immerse.”

Hi and then explain Eph 4:5 where is says ONE BAPTISM , say what that means !!

By the way the Greek word in the KJV IS BAPTIZO but in the Greek the word is BAPTIMA , so explain < HUH !!

I do have more when you explain Eph 4:5 !!

dan p

 

[john w]

Evry place I have read "baptizo" has one meaning which is to immerse.

OT/NT baptism, where the element is the water, was never by immersion-it was by sprinkling.

 

[patrick jane]

OT/NT baptism, where the element is the water, was never by immersion-it was by sprinkling.

I like sprinkles !!! :rain:

 

[Ac28]

To me, a liar is one who lies knowingly. I think the reason Dodge doesn't tell the truth is simply because he doesn't know the truth. He's somehow been locked into the fallacy that only those red letters represent the only truth, like many of his ilk seem to do.

When I was first saved, 30+ years ago, I was warned not to buy a red-letter Bible and, Praise God, I never did until about a week ago. I needed a reading AV and this Zondervan one was decent and cheap. I figured that, after 30 years, I was mature enough to know that those red letters are no more inspired than any other part of the Bible, including Paul's writings.

It says in my Bible that Jesus Christ was a minister to the circumcision (Romans 16:8) and that He was manifest to Israel (John 1:31). It also says that Paul was THE Apostle to the Gentiles in several passages. Therefore, it would be nonsensical for me, as a Gentile, to follow the DOCTRINE of Jesus Christ as opposed to that of Paul, in those areas where the 2 doctrines differed.

Here's something else I've often thought about. Since Paul continually received brand new revelations from Christ and/or the Holy Spirit, I can't help but believe that his latter books would be more timely and up-to-date than his earlier books. Only Paul received these revelations. Some of the revelations surely gave additional information to things already revealed but others revealed things that replaced prior information - this is obviously evidenced by the myriad of doctrinal differences between Paul's 1st 7 books and his last 7 books. Due to all this, I feel that any lover of truth should start with Paul's last 7 books and see what they say, without any influence of his 1st 7 books. Only after the last 7 books are mastered, should the student attempt to understand the 1st 7 books.[/QUOTE


Hi and I disagree with the notion that the first 7 letters of Paul should studied LAST and here is WHY !!

First ALL scrcture is for correction and reproof !!

Then in 2 Cor 12:1 we tead Surely , it is not profitable to me tp glory , for I will come to VISIONS and REVELATIONS of ( the ) Lord !!

The thrid verb is IWILL COME IS IN THE gREEK FUTURE TENSE and that means that from Paul's salvation , it was a contance VISIONS and Revelation UNTIL Paul was killed !!

Since you seem to have advanced in the last 7 letters , will you explain How Paul was SAVED , in Acts 9:6 ??

Or tell us how you were saved ?

dan p

What on earth does Paul's salvation or my salvation have to do with anything I posted? Why are you wasting my time? Your logic is extremely illogical, by the way. Right division obviously isn't your thing. For that error, you will one day shew thyself unapproved by God, a workman that needeth to be ashamed.

 

[Ac28]

Paul is trying to get them saved, so I think that the word "rivalry" would be a very poor way to describe the jealousy that he is provoking.

The same word is translated as "provoke to emulation" in the same passage:

Rom 11:11-14 (AKJV/PCE)​

(11:11) I say then, Have they stumbled that they should fall? God forbid: but [rather] through their fall salvation [is come] unto the Gentiles, for to provoke them to jealousy. (11:12) Now if the fall of them [be] the riches of the world, and the diminishing of them the riches of the Gentiles; how much more their fulness? (11:13) For I speak to you Gentiles, inasmuch as I am the apostle of the Gentiles, I magnify mine office: (11:14) If by any means I may provoke to emulation [them which are] my flesh, and might save some of them.

​

Envy is used in some versions.

 

[dodge]

Hi and then explain Eph 4:5 where is says ONE BAPTISM , say what that means !!

By the way the Greek word in the KJV IS BAPTIZO but in the Greek the word is BAPTIMA , so explain < HUH !!

I do have more when you explain Eph 4:5 !!

dan p

Mat 28:19
Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:


Jesus said to be baptized , and that is good enough for me.

Now if you want to do your own thing and ignore a command of Jesus then that is on YOU.

Now you know why I stay with the KJV.

 

[Interplanner]

Envy is used in some versions.

Which means of course that it was a change Paul was trying to effect right then. The chapter is not a prediction of what will happen.

The appeal to them to change and be in God's mission also explodes the D'ist or MAD idea that there is nothing going on with the Jews. That is a complete misunderstanding of all Paul is saying.

 

[Lighthouse]

Evry place I have read "baptizo" has one meaning which is to immerse.


What is the Greek word for baptism and what does it mean?
However, our word baptize translates the Greek word baptizo, not bapto. While bapto may mean “to dip or immerse,” baptizo does not refer to a mode, but to a process and an effect. While a baptism may include dipping or immersing, baptizo does not, in itself, mean “to immerse.”

Regardless, it doesn't always have to do with water. And that's the real issue.

 

[dodge]

Regardless, it doesn't always have to do with water. And that's the real issue.

So is that excuse used to disobey Jesus and not get water baptized ?

I know there is a spiritual baptism.

 

[Lighthouse]

So is that excuse used to disobey Jesus and not get water baptized ?

I know there is a spiritual baptism.

If we are all supposed to be baptized in water then why wasn't Paul, the apostle to the Gentiles not sent to baptize?

And, where, exactly, did Jesus command that we get baptized in water?

 

[dodge]

If we are all supposed to be baptized in water then why wasn't Paul, the apostle to the Gentiles not sent to baptize?

And, where, exactly, did Jesus command that we get baptized in water?

Mat 28:19
Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:


Act 2:38
Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.

Which came FIRST in the above verse after repenting water baptism or receiving the Holy Spirit ?

 

[Lighthouse]

Mat 28:19
Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:


Act 2:38
Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.

Which came FIRST in the above verse after repenting water baptism or receiving the Holy Spirit ?

I don't see any mention of water.

 

[dodge]

I don't see any mention of water.

You don't see water because I guess to you it is a "mystery" that has not been revealed to you. Keep reading the scriptures it is there.


Mar 1:10
And straightway coming up out of the water, he saw the heavens opened, and the Spirit like a dove descending upon him:


Act 8:38
And he commanded the chariot to stand still: and they went down both into the water, both Philip and the eunuch; and he baptized him.

 

[Right Divider]

You don't see water because I guess to you it is a "mystery" that has not been revealed to you. Keep reading the scriptures it is there.

Mar 1:10
And straightway coming up out of the water, he saw the heavens opened, and the Spirit like a dove descending upon him:

Act 8:38
And he commanded the chariot to stand still: and they went down both into the water, both Philip and the eunuch; and he baptized him.

WOW.... a Israelite baptized someone who was either another Israelite or a proselyte with water according to what they were told to do. Call all the newspapers and alert the media; we must get this news out to the world! :jump:

 

[DAN P]

Mat 28:19
Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:


Jesus said to be baptized , and that is good enough for me.

Now if you want to do your own thing and ignore a command of Jesus then that is on YOU.

Now you know why I stay with the KJV.

Hi , and I will always use the KJV !!

So you NEVER explained 1 Cor 15:29 , OR do you have a problem with that BAPTISM for the DEAD !!

Here is another one you will never ANSWER , where we are BAPTIZED into Christ death , in Rom 6:3 and let me know when you give UP . and I will explain what TRANSLITERATION means !!

dan p

 

[Danoh]

WOW.... a Israelite baptized someone who was either another Israelite or a proselyte with water according to what they were told to do. Call all the newspapers and alert the media; we must get this news out to the world! :jump:

Well, dodge did answer the question implied by Lighthouse.

 

[dodge]

WOW.... a Israelite baptized someone who was either another Israelite or a proselyte with water according to what they were told to do. Call all the newspapers and alert the media; we must get this news out to the world! :jump:

Mat 28:19
Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:

I guess ALL nations according to you was Jews. Are you really that blind ?

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[SaulToPaul 2]

Matthew 28:19 (KJV)
Matthew 10:23 (KJV)

 

[heir]

Matthew 28:19 (KJV)
Matthew 10:23 (KJV)

:up:

Simple!