oatmeal
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This thread was inspired by the question "Does God really exist?"
How would God know that?
How would I know I exist?
oatmeal
Of course God is
and I am real too
Do I really exist?
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This thread was inspired by the question "Does God really exist?"
How would God know that?
How would I know I exist?
oatmeal
Of course God is
and I am real too
False Prophet
New member
Solipsm is an old idea. How can I believe what I see is real?
there are yet many other of their informations (presentations), of the truth of which it is manifestly impossible to doubt; as for example, that I am in this place, seated by the fire, clothed in a winter dressing gown, that I hold in my hands this piece of paper, with other intimations of the same nature. But how could I deny that I possess these hands and this body, and withal escape being classed with persons in a state of insanity Descartes Meditations 4.
God could relieve the doubting Descartes from his insanity. God would never let him be so deceived. That is what we are here for: to lead people to God. People need a spiritual awakening. Without it they are doomed to fall into delusion and fantasy.
9. Nevertheless, the belief that there is a God who is all powerful, and who created me, such as I am, has, for a long time, obtained steady possession of my mind. Descartes Meditations
there are yet many other of their informations (presentations), of the truth of which it is manifestly impossible to doubt; as for example, that I am in this place, seated by the fire, clothed in a winter dressing gown, that I hold in my hands this piece of paper, with other intimations of the same nature. But how could I deny that I possess these hands and this body, and withal escape being classed with persons in a state of insanity Descartes Meditations 4.
God could relieve the doubting Descartes from his insanity. God would never let him be so deceived. That is what we are here for: to lead people to God. People need a spiritual awakening. Without it they are doomed to fall into delusion and fantasy.
9. Nevertheless, the belief that there is a God who is all powerful, and who created me, such as I am, has, for a long time, obtained steady possession of my mind. Descartes Meditations
oatmeal
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Of course they are
All science fiction is fiction and stupid and not science at all.
I enjoyed the first one immensely
It was entertaining , stupid but entertaining
The second and third were absolute duds
oatmeal
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Thank you for sharing that
That is good stuff.
Of course I believe in God and I endeavor to believe God, by believing His words
Of course I exist, but we all must learn to fully live
Let thy hand be upon the man of thy right hand,
Upon the son of man whom thou madest strong for thyself.
Psalm 80:17
This verse teaches
Messiah would be seated at the right hand of God the Father.
Messiah must be equal to the Father to sit at God the Father's right hand therefore Messiah must be both God and man
Upon the son of man whom thou madest strong for thyself.
Psalm 80:17
This verse teaches
Messiah would be seated at the right hand of God the Father.
Messiah must be equal to the Father to sit at God the Father's right hand therefore Messiah must be both God and man
noguru
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Or maybe a "Juice Newton" or an "Olivia Newton"?
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noguru
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If essence precedes being, then it is more appropriately "I Am, therefore I think". - Thought, mentation and conceptualization arises from that prior essence of being as an emerging projection of consciousness and its various associations. Not to split hairs, ...but just another twist on it
pj
Descartes, though it may have been inadvertently, points out that it takes subjective awareness to recognize those glimpses of the objective reality, however small or inaccurate they might be to some.
I think oatmeal's pondering this thought is a bit overplayed. But that is just my subjective perspective.
Interesting thought exercise for those taking existential philosophy 101. But kind of trite and absurd coming from a guy with a gray beard in modern times.
oatmeal
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1PeaceMaker
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2 questions for you, oatmeal.
Why does God love you?
Why do you love your brother?
Why does God love you?
Why do you love your brother?
oatmeal
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oatmeal
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I agree
whoever started this thread must have been trying too hard to entertain himself and others
But is that question an extension of the question, "how do we know God exists?"
Let me ask him.
He says yes, it was exactly that
Maybe he should switch to decaf
Nah, won't happen anytime soon. Decaf is like dehydrated water
Jerry Shugart
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As Christians we know that we exist because the God who made us speaks to us in such a way that His voice carries a conviction that is from Him. What better evidence can a person have concerning his own existence as well as the existence of God?
We have the hard evidence that God is speaking to us:
"Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen" (Heb.11:1).
If we didn't exist then it would be impossible that God could speak to us in such a way whereby we know that He exists and that He gives us an understanding of things which concern us.
oatmeal
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oatmeal
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Yes indeed.
How can we apply the best ideas on this thread on why we know we exist to make God even more real in our lives?
freelight
Eclectic Theosophist
Inquire directly to the Source,...surrender there
Inquire directly to the Source,...surrender there
As shared earlier, 'Self-inquiry', its method and practice will take you directly to the SOURCE. (here). Why bother with a more complicated path like confounding theologies bound to an illusive world of duality (separation from 'God'),..when 'God' is the only omnipresent and eternal reality that IS ?
To your question,...the only reason anyone knows they exist, is because of 'God' who is the very root and essence of that existence, or existence itself. Therefore a true knowledge of one's own essential being (original nature) IS the knowledge of 'God', since the two cannot be separate.
One cannot make 'God' more 'real' than 'God' all-ready IS.
pj
Inquire directly to the Source,...surrender there
As shared earlier, 'Self-inquiry', its method and practice will take you directly to the SOURCE. (here). Why bother with a more complicated path like confounding theologies bound to an illusive world of duality (separation from 'God'),..when 'God' is the only omnipresent and eternal reality that IS ?
To your question,...the only reason anyone knows they exist, is because of 'God' who is the very root and essence of that existence, or existence itself. Therefore a true knowledge of one's own essential being (original nature) IS the knowledge of 'God', since the two cannot be separate.
One cannot make 'God' more 'real' than 'God' all-ready IS.
pj
Can you pin-point what you even mean by "I"? Stating "I" presupposes "I's" (your) existence...yet, are you a physical body; or a continuum of mental states? Or, much like Decartes suggested, are you being deceived...that is, are "you" simply a dream/illusion, effectively a "self" brought about by an evil demon or mad scientist (brain in a vat theory)?
Since you are the only (ultimately unqualified) source that can verify yourself....you may never really be sure.
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Good question to ask!
Better yet, are "you" a body, mind or both?
Let's say you have a neighbor that's gone bonkers via a mental disease, while you recently die of a terminal illness. Yet, before your death scientists "downloaded" all your thoughts, memories, ideas...etc.
Now, your neighbor's thoughts, memories...etc. have been illiminated by his mental illness therefore those scientists decide to "upload" all of your memories..etc. into your neighbor's currently defunct brain/body.
So, if successful where exactlly is the "you" in this scenairo, conversely where is the neighbor's "you"?
Is he gone because you've taken over his (now your) body or is he still here with your (now his) memories? :idunno:
Or take 2.
Reduce both bodies down to their fundamental elements ...slop them all together and show me the "you" in this elemental, uncompounded hodge-podge which distinguishes "you" from "not you"..that is, him.
Identity is an illusion.