First, deal with the actual statement Jesus made;
Mark 13:32 But of that day and that hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels which are in heaven, neither the Son, but the Father
Did God become flesh?
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Mark 13:32 But of that day and that hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels which are in heaven, neither the Son, but the Father
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I agree with Rosenritter's interpretation, and he isn't Trinitarian.
The God of God is God, which may seem like a pointless assertion from the perspective of heaven, but it makes perfect sense in the framework of what we are told in the bible, that God was manifest in the flesh, that He became flesh and walked among us, enduring all things as we did. Upon the earth found in fashion as a man, he is not a godless but speaks for God.[/QUOTE]Your completely unscriptural statement here, reminds me of Billy Madison's speech ..... and I feel the same way his principle felt, but I will suffice it to say;
Your reply doesn't bear the slightest resemblance to ANY Scripture.
God EMPHATICALLY said there is NO God beside Me!
Isa 44:8 Is there a God beside me? yea, there is no God; I know not any.
Isa 45:5 I am Jehovah, and there is none else; besides me there is no God.
Jesus CLEARLY stated he worships the God of the Jews, and that his Father IS his God!
John 4:22 Ye worship that which ye know not: we worship that which we know; for salvation is from the Jews.
John 20:17 go unto my brethren, and say to them, I ascend unto my Father and your Father, and my God and your God.
Rev 3:12 He that overcometh, I will make him a pillar in the temple of my God, and he shall go out thence no more: and I will write upon him the name of my God, and the name of the city of my God, the new Jerusalem, which cometh down out of heaven from my God, and mine own new name.
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That's an interesting theory, but when the talk came to Jesus I asked to borrow their bible and I read the first part of the Psalm aloud. I read until it asked, "Who is the King of Glory?" and then I asked them who this was. The answer was "Sounds like Jesus!"
So when I then continued to read and the King of Glory ("sounds like Jesus!") was identified as "Jehovah of Armies" and repeated within the same Psalm for emphasis, they then realized they had a pressing appointment that they were late for and needed to leave at once.
When the same subject came up with with different people of Jehovah's Witness persuasion I borrowed their bible and asked the same question and received the same answer. I've seen this experiment several times all with similar results. Any normal person (including Unitarians and Jehovah's Witnesses) reading that Psalm DO understand the King of Glory to be Jesus...
... up until running face to face with the scripture telling them that this Jesus is God Almighty, the LORD of Hosts. That's when the backtracking starts. It's hard to show on an online forum because can hide their reactions and NOT answering when asked is the norm rather than the exception.
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The best and simplest answer is that there is no set time established for Christ's return, such is yet to be determined and can be influenced (advanced or delayed) by things that have not yet happened, decisions, repentance, or rebellion by people that have not yet been born. When Christ returns cannot possibly be known to Christ speaking on the earth. That is to be determined by the Father (from heaven) when the time comes.
But it seems from your answer that you may not hold the same understanding of time and space in this normal scenario. It sounds like you have the Calvinist "closed view" of the future, that all is already set in stone and decided and cannot be changed. But even that understanding doesn't pose a difficulty for that statement if you allow that God has the power to not know that which he chooses.
Now answer the question please (no more evading). Does God have the power to play a FAIR game of cards without cheating?
Predominantly, Jehovah/YHVH God. Also Jehovah's servant with "clean hands and a pure heart". Which certainly described David, but even more so, Jesus. Either way, Jehovah is that one's "God of his salvation". David was the King, and wrote the Psalm, Jesus, David's descendant, was given "the throne of his Father David" by Christ's God.
Yep, David was "the King of Glory"... and so was Solomon ... and so is Jesus.Rosenritter said:
At times it's tempting, since you are obviously wrong, and obviously reluctant to hear the truth.Rosenritter said:
But, there might be some reading who can ALSO see the obvious, who might abandon there trinitarian/oneness heresies .... and come to the Scriptural understanding regarding Jesus, the man God exalted .... and Jesus' God, the Creator of the universe.
ASV .... I have a couple NWT available ... but it is very biased to JW doctrine, so I almost never even look at it.Rosenritter said:
There is nothing "best" or "simple" about your answer .... and there is nothing Scriptural about your answer. Your answer denies Christ's statement that his Father is the ONLY being that knows the day and the hour.
There is a difference between foreknown, and the Calvinist doctrine. I heartily disagree with the Calvinist argument against "Free will".Rosenritter said:
No, that theory is pure fiction, and contradicts Scripture.Rosenritter said:
I will not answer your ridiculous speculation.Rosenritter said:
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Acts 2:34 KJV
(34) For David is not ascended into the heavens: but he saith himself, The LORD said unto my Lord, Sit thou on my right hand,
The King of Glory ascends the hill of the Lord. David has not ascended to heaven; and no man has ascended to heaven, remember? David is more certainly not the King of Glory.
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Your insincerity (or insecurity) is noted.
You are so good at twisting what one's comments.
SORRY!!!
I realized, after reading my post, I hit "Post Quick Reply" too soon.
In Psa 24:7-10 it is JEHOVHA who is "the King of Glory".
The one who "shall ascend into the hill of Jehovah? And who shall stand in His holy place?
4 He that hath clean hands, and a pure heart; who hath not lifted up his soul unto falsehood, and hath not sworn deceitfully.
5 He shall receive a blessing from Jehovah, and righteousness from the God of his salvation.
6 This is the generation of them that seek after him, that seek thy face, (even) Jacob. (Selah)
In Ps 24:3-6 is possibly David, Solomon and/or Jesus
You have a strange way of analyzing.
/shrug .... ok.
Again, strange comment.
Rosenritter
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When someone refuses to answer the question put to them to explain their own posted question, it is proof of their insincerity. You have been guilty of this as well.
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Nice try. Splitting the psalm halfway? Unexplained switching to an entirely different subject with no indication? Do you suppose the Psalm writer had attention deficit disorder?
Psalms 24:3 KJV
(3) Who shall ascend into the hill of the LORD? or who shall stand in his holy place?
Psalms 24:7 KJV
(7) Lift up your heads, O ye gates; and be ye lift up, ye everlasting doors; and the King of glory shall come in.
Somehow you got trapped in your own answer even though it was an online forum...
"O ye gates" and "ye everlasting doors" have no context other than the previously described "hill of the LORD" and "his holy place." The entire context of the verses prior is the "Who shall ascend... ?" and up until verse seven no name is given, only attributes hinting at who this might be.
And we aren't kept waiting for long. "The King of Glory", we are told. But was this king named before? No, and now we are shown the revelation, this is none other than "the LORD of Hosts."
Why do you suppose we were given this Psalm identifying someone known as another title as "the LORD of Hosts" as he ascends to the hill of the Lord, welcomed by gates and everlasting doors? Can you think of anyplace on earth that has everlasting doors?
John 3:12-13 KJV
(12) If I have told you earthly things, and ye believe not, how shall ye believe, if I tell you of heavenly things?
(13) And no man hath ascended up to heaven, but he that came down from heaven, even the Son of man which is in heaven.
The identification of ascending to heaven (with its gates and everlasting doors) is met by one and one only. It must be some coincidence that the David and John both identify him as our God, the LORD of Hosts, the Creator of all things that were made. And it's not just these two, Paul interchanges Jesus for God when he quotes the Old Testament, the LORD speaks through Zechariah and identifies himself as he who is pierced and sold for pieces of silver, Jesus made himself God and identifies himself as the only LORD through Isaiah.
You must have some massive conspiracy theory in mind as to how the Bible managed to write everything so wrong?
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When you call me Trinitarian is proves you either haven't been paying attention or don't care for accuracy...
Because I know what you have to offer. Nothing new. so boring.
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