Did Christ know He was fully God?
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Exodus 3
14 God said to Moses, “I am who I am. This is what you are to say to the Israelites: ‘I am has sent me to you.’ ”
15 God also said to Moses, “Say to the Israelites, ‘The Lord, the God of your fathers—the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac and the God of Jacob—has sent me to you.’
When Jesus used the "I am", it was because the Israelites knew what that meant because of the above event ... He (Jesus) was claiming to be God and therefore they accused Him of blasphemy .. that is claiming to be God.
The term I AM used in reference to God, and how God refers to Himself and Jesus is used frequently.
Revelation 1
8“I AM the Alpha and the Omega—the beginning and the end,” says the Lord God. “I AM the one who is, who always was, and who is still to come—the Almighty One.”
God is the great I AM
14 God said to Moses, “I am who I am. This is what you are to say to the Israelites: ‘I am has sent me to you.’ ”
15 God also said to Moses, “Say to the Israelites, ‘The Lord, the God of your fathers—the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac and the God of Jacob—has sent me to you.’
When Jesus used the "I am", it was because the Israelites knew what that meant because of the above event ... He (Jesus) was claiming to be God and therefore they accused Him of blasphemy .. that is claiming to be God.
The term I AM used in reference to God, and how God refers to Himself and Jesus is used frequently.
Revelation 1
8“I AM the Alpha and the Omega—the beginning and the end,” says the Lord God. “I AM the one who is, who always was, and who is still to come—the Almighty One.”
God is the great I AM
John 14
8 Philip said, “Lord, show us the Father, and we will be satisfied.”
9 Jesus replied, “Have I been with you all this time, Philip, and yet you still don’t know who I am? Anyone who has seen me has seen the Father! So why are you asking me to show him to you? 10 Don’t you believe that I am in the Father and the Father is in me? The words I speak are not my own, but my Father who lives in me does his work through me. 11J ust believe that I am in the Father and the Father is in me.
8 Philip said, “Lord, show us the Father, and we will be satisfied.”
9 Jesus replied, “Have I been with you all this time, Philip, and yet you still don’t know who I am? Anyone who has seen me has seen the Father! So why are you asking me to show him to you? 10 Don’t you believe that I am in the Father and the Father is in me? The words I speak are not my own, but my Father who lives in me does his work through me. 11J ust believe that I am in the Father and the Father is in me.
Jesus, being both human and divine, grew in the realization of who he already was before he created this world.
Your reasoning is out of context with many of Jesus' own word.
Oatmeal showed that plenty.
Why do you skip simple and clear explanation of Jesus' identity?
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Wacky :kookoo:
oatmeal
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Yes, God, according to the English says that He is "I am"
So, who then is
God does not call himself
Where does God call himself
?
Evidently, since God calls himself "I am" and you refer to
there is an "I am " that is greater than God.
Who is the greater than God "I am" that you refer to.
Do you know a God greater than God that is
?
If we are going to learn from scripture, please tell me where God, in scripture, refers to himself as
?
Or are you like all proponents of the trinty falsifying what scripture teaches?
If Jesus was claiming to be "I am" he would have said so
He would have said, "I am I am" not "before Abraham was, I am"
God foretold of the seed of the woman in Genesis 3:15, Jesus did not exist in Genesis, but God foretold of him
oatmeal
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well that is not what scripture teaches
My favorite verse to clarify that God is God, men are men and that Christ Jesus is a man is I Timothy 2:5
You might want to read it carefully sometime, like that verse really matters since it is God's written logos
oatmeal
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Evidently, if Jesus was God he did not have the authority to speak as God for Jesus says his words are not his own but the Father's
oatmeal
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That should be clear enough to anyone who can read English
I don't think Jesus was wacky: Matthew 28:18 18 Then Jesus came to them and said, "All authority in heaven and on earth has been given to me.
But you are in company with his family:
(Matthew 12:22-30; Luke 11:14-23)
20Then Jesus went home, and once again a crowd gathered, so that He and His disciples could not even eat. 21When His family heard about this, they went out to take custody of Him, saying, “He is out of His mind.”
Anti divinity people cherry pick the bible books in opposition to what Jesus himself said and did. They use secondary references about Jesus while ignoring his own quotes and actions. Jesus lead his disciples to realize his divinity. Your battle Oatmeal isn't against something that Jesus did not say, its against things Jesus did say. You can quote Timothy or Pagan Paul or Billy Bob Thornton to your hearts delight, it's Jesus that you have a problem with.
Also, the false doctrine of the inspiration of scripture has lead to division and stunted spiritual growth.
oatmeal
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I am sure that some of them do.
However, I am looking for all scripture on the subject of who is Jesus Christ.
If you are going to ignore I Timothy 2:5 which is clear as it can be, why should I let you assume that
"I and my Father are one"
means things that are not written?
Did I ask you?
What does John 10:30 state?
a. I and my Father are God
b. I and my Father are two parts of a three part God, but I do not know why the Holy Spirit is not one with us?
c. I and my Father are one
Why do trinitarians reject "c" in favor of "a"?
One means one, God means God
Three means three, son means son, Father means Father.
Why not start with reading words for their face value instead of reading your threeology into them?
Which verse states that God is triune?
There is none. Genesis 1:26 does not say that "Les us, the triune God, ...."
You have made the commandments and truths of God of none effect by your theology
John 10:30 is the divine Son of God incarnate proclaiming that his will and his spirit is in alignment with his Fathers. To have seen Jesus, to know Jesus, is to experience the existential personification of the Father in his Son.
The Bible reveals “plural manifestation” , it doesn’t use the term Triune or trinity. Trinity came later as a consequence of the revelation of the existence of a divine Son of God who incarnate as a man in Judaism. Believers in Jesus barrowed existing concepts of a Trinity as an explanation for believing in God, his divine Son incarnate, and his teaching about a Holy Spirit.
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My comment at the bottom was more so a personal one. God is Almighty, God is Great, God is the great I AM. I AM .... it is His name.
Exodus 3
13 Then Moses said to God, “If I come to the people of Israel and say to them, ‘The God of your fathers has sent me to you,’ and they ask me, ‘What is his name?’ what shall I say to them?” 14 God said to Moses, “I AM WHO I AM.”a And he said, “Say this to the people of Israel: ‘I AM has sent me to you.’” 15 God also said to Moses, “Say this to the people of Israel: ‘The LORD, the God of your fathers, the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob, has sent me to you.’ *****This is my name forever****, and thus I am to be remembered throughout all generations.
Exodus 3
13 Then Moses said to God, “If I come to the people of Israel and say to them, ‘The God of your fathers has sent me to you,’ and they ask me, ‘What is his name?’ what shall I say to them?” 14 God said to Moses, “I AM WHO I AM.”a And he said, “Say this to the people of Israel: ‘I AM has sent me to you.’” 15 God also said to Moses, “Say this to the people of Israel: ‘The LORD, the God of your fathers, the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob, has sent me to you.’ *****This is my name forever****, and thus I am to be remembered throughout all generations.
Yes, English is not my mother tongue but I can understand clear and simple word of Jesus' teachings.
I hope you pay attention to oatmeal's explanation of deception of trinity.
He is showing abundant of Jesus' simple and clear word brilliantly.
Oatmeal has an anti-divinity agenda just like the authors of the Old Testament had a pro Monotheistic agenda while surrounded by Religions with inferior concepts of deity as polytheistic, multiple individual Gods unrelated to each other.