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What problems?
That you don't know is quite telling.

You don't think that the majority of accomplished scientists around the world would have discovered them as you supposedly have by now?
They do know about them. I'm surprised (at least a little) that you don't know about it.

That's as lame an argument as anything
Since you don't even know there are problems... :french:

No thanks on the latter. You've had detailed explanations already and it's abundantly apparent that you're not interested in anything that contravenes your young earth belief system. You should just be honest and admit that.
Since you don't even know that there are significant problems with the big bang cosmology, I guess that it's better that you don't try to discuss it.
 

Arthur Brain

Well-known member
That you don't know is quite telling.


They do know about them. I'm surprised (at least a little) that you don't know about it.


Since you don't even know there are problems... :french:


Since you don't even know that there are significant problems with the big bang cosmology, I guess that it's better that you don't try to discuss it.

They do know about these problems "at least a little"?!

Yeah, ok, whatever.
 

Gary K

New member
Banned
Here is a little experiment to see how many people here deny facts.

This is an article published by the AAPS, the Association of American Physicians and Surgeons. It speaks to the drugs being recommended or panned by the medical and/or political establishment as seen by physicians and surgeons. The AAPS has existed since 1943 so it's been around for 77 years. It's no flash-in-the-pan organization put together to push a political point of view.

At the Presidential Briefing on Apr 30, Dr. Anthony Fauci announced early results, prior to peer-review, of one clinical trial using remdesivir, an intravenous (IV) experimental antiviral medicine in patients hospitalized with COVID-19. At the “warp speed” currently in vogue for the Fauci-led push to a new vaccine, the very next day the FDA issued an Emergency Use Authorization (EAU) for remdesivir to be used in seriously ill hospitalized patients. To announce the emergency approval, President Trump met with the CEO of the drug’s manufacturer, Gilead Sciences, in the Oval Office.

Such rapid authorization is quite unusual with the FDA. Unlike the experimental remdesivir with no prior FDA approval, hydroxychloroquine (HCQ) required two months from reports of successful use in China and South Korea to get the Mar 28 FDA EUA for use in hospitalized COVID-19 patients. HCQ was approved in 1955 for malaria, and later for lupus and rheumatoid arthritis. Over the last 65 years, hundreds of millions of prescriptions have been written for HCQ worldwide.

The EUA for HCQ did not, however, expand its availability but imposed restrictions to prevent non-hospitalized patients from accessing the government’s stockpile of the drug. Democrat Governors Cuomo (NY), Sisolak (NV), and Whitmer (MI), then imposed restrictive orders on outpatient use, and all but four states have followed their lead.

In decades of widespread use, HCQ has an impressive safety record. Irregular heart rhythm or damage to the retina occur rarely, usually with high doses used long term. FDA shows only 62 cardiac deaths attributed to HCQ out of more than 50 million prescriptions, or 0.000124 percent (1.2 out of each 1 million Rx). Rheumatology guidelines for lupus and rheumatoid arthritis do not even require baseline electrocardiograms before prescribing HCQ, since the risk is minimal.

Approximately $70 million in U.S. taxpayer funding began Gilead’s partnership with the U.S. Army, Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC), and National Institutes of Health (NIH) to develop remdesivir. Initially for treating Ebola, it failed to show benefit and was shelved. If remdesivir is used to treat COVID-19, Gilead shareholders, not the taxpayers, will profit.

Early results of the first clinical trial of remdesivir against placebo in coronavirus were announced at the White House Apr 30, and showed modest benefits, according to The New York Times. Surviving patients given remdesivir were discharged 4 days sooner than patients given placebo, though no criteria were given for determining improvement. Death rates were not significantly different. About 25 percent of patients receiving remdesivir had potentially severe side effects, including multiple organ dysfunction, septic shock, acute kidney injury, and low blood pressure. Another 23% showed evidence on lab tests of liver damage.

Gilead’s own press release revealed the side effect of acute respiratory failure in 6 percent of patients in the remdesivir 5-day treatment group, and 10.7 percent of patients in the 10-day treatment group, clearly ominous findings with a drug designed to treat respiratory failure caused by COVID-19.

Dr. Steven Nissen, Cleveland Clinic cardiologist who has conducted dozens of clinical trials, explained to The New York Times: “The disclosure of trial results in a political setting, before peer review or publication, is very unusual. Scientists will need to see figures on harms associated with the drug in order to assess its benefits…. This is too important to be handled in such a sloppy fashion.”

Dr. Michele Barry, a global health expert at Stanford University, expressed concern about Dr. Fauci’s overly enthusiastic praise for remdesivir: “It is unusual to call a drug the ‘standard of care’ until peer review of data and publication, and before studies have shown benefit in mortality.

The leading communicable disease specialist in France, Professor Didier Raoult, asked about another odd aspect of the remdesivir trial: “Could Anthony Fauci explain why the investigators of the NIAID remdesivir trial did change the primary outcome during the course of the project?” Death as the primary outcome was moved to a secondary outcome, and days to recovery became the primary trial outcome. Changing the primary outcome before trial results are completed is highly unusual and suggests “p-hacking”—manipulating the data to get a statistically significant “p value.”

The rest of this highly informative and interesting article can be found here.

Now, the experiment goes thus. Those who acknowledge the facts will comment on the article. Those who will not comment on the facts these doctors point out or who express their unbelief of these facts will be saying they don't believe the facts. So, we will see who the "fact deniers" really are.

One thing that needs to be pointed out here is that Fauci has a long-term relationship with Gilead. He's been associated with them and worked with/for them since the 1970s. He has made a lot of money through that association.
 

chair

Well-known member
Here is a little experiment to see how many people here deny facts.

Yes, this organization has been around for a long time. Here's the beginning of the Wikipedia article about it:
The Association of American Physicians and Surgeons (AAPS) is a conservative non-profit association founded in 1943. The group was reported to have about 5,000 members in 2014. The association advocates a range of scientifically discredited hypotheses, including the belief that HIV does not cause AIDS, that being gay reduces life expectancy, that there is a link between abortion and breast cancer, and that there is a causal relationship between vaccines and autism. It is opposed to the Affordable Care Act and other forms of universal health insurance.
 

ok doser

lifeguard at the cement pond
Here is a little experiment to see how many people here deny facts.

This is an article published by the AAPS, the Association of American Physicians and Surgeons. It speaks to the drugs being recommended or panned by the medical and/or political establishment as seen by physicians and surgeons. The AAPS has existed since 1943 so it's been around for 77 years. It's no flash-in-the-pan organization put together to push a political point of view.



The rest of this highly informative and interesting article can be found here.

Now, the experiment goes thus. Those who acknowledge the facts will comment on the article. Those who will not comment on the facts these doctors point out or who express their unbelief of these facts will be saying they don't believe the facts. So, we will see who the "fact deniers" really are.

One thing that needs to be pointed out here is that Fauci has a long-term relationship with Gilead. He's been associated with them and worked with/for them since the 1970s. He has made a lot of money through that association.

And Chair is a fact denier

Next?
 

ok doser

lifeguard at the cement pond
Now, the experiment goes thus. Those who acknowledge the facts will comment on the article. Those who will not comment on the facts these doctors point out or who express their unbelief of these facts will be saying they don't believe the facts. So, we will see who the "fact deniers" really are.

Chair has already been counted

Who's next?
 

Jonahdog

BANNED
Banned
The AAPS has existed since 1943 so it's been around for 77 years. It's no flash-in-the-pan organization put together to push a political point of view.

No, that appear to be factually incorrect. If you believe the following is incorrect, please enlighten us with the facts. Per Wiki, "During the winter of 1943, the Lake County (Indiana) Medical Committee opposed the Wagner-Murray-Dingell Bill, proposed legislation that would provide government health care for most U.S. citizens. Also opposed to the bill was the conservative National Physicians Committee. The committee began a membership drive in February 1944. By May 1944, the AAPS claimed members from all 48 states.[1] In 1944, Time reported that the group's aim was the "defeat of any Government group medicine."[1]

In addition AAPS takes some wackadoodle positions, no connected between HIV/AIDS, recent increase in leprosy caused by illegal immigrants (psst--no recent increase in leprosy), connection between vaccines and autism.

Any thing from AAPS deserves further scrutiny.
 
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