I don't think she's buying what you're selling (1 Jn 2:15). You'd like to suck her into your depravity wouldn't you? You and your little perv' dog too. :Shimei:
Dating is a Failed Modern Experiment
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I don't think she's buying what you're selling (1 Jn 2:15). You'd like to suck her into your depravity wouldn't you? You and your little perv' dog too. :Shimei:
You get the pole dancer whose tat's will fade with the years. Young Christian men who work on keeping their minds pure get the fine Christian women who do the same
each: (Pr 18:22). You think God is going to bring his best to the likes of you? You're the type of feen we keep our children far from.
MrRadish
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Not when it's in an essay and is unsubstantiated, no. Because the point of an essay is to be objective and fact-led. Otherwise, it's just a Point of View article with references.
Because she's being given the false impression that she's written an academically strong essay when she hasn't.
There are plenty of very good arguments against present attitudes toward relationships and dating, as well as a host of others in favour of it. But that's entirely beside the point. My objection is not to her distaste for dating, it's her ineptitude at constructing an argument.
Maybe one day that's what she'll be, but that's not going to happen if she keeps being told that a good essay is based entirely on largely unsupported assertions, assumes the reader uses the same moral and social standards, and refuses to examine alternative perspectives on the subject.
Had she produced a well-written, balanced discussion of the issue and come to the conclusion that dating causes social and personal problems, or the courtship leads to happier and longer-lasting relationships, or indeed any other supportable pro-courtship conclusion rooted in an examination of evidence from multiple angles of debate, I would have no objection to it whatsoever.
Believe me, if someone produced a 'paper' in favour of dating that showed a similar lack of regard for counterarguments, made sweeping generalisations like "sexual repression causes genocide. Hitler only got married in the last few days of his life, proving that it was his sexual repression that led to the Holocaust", and concluded that "dating is better than courtship because it is more fun, is more free, and means that you can decide who to love rather than your parents choosing for you", I would have similar disdain for it as a piece of academic writing.
It's the integrity of the writing that concerns you.
Thanks for telling me what I think, SD. To follow your own example:
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Given who and what Enyart takes for "experts" and "scholarship" this isn't very surprising.
The Graphite
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No romance, no zest, no excitement or adventure? Clearly you have no idea what you're talking about.
What they really don't have, however, is the man buying the affections of the woman, and it doesn't have the man using the woman in selfish sexual gratification. Treating a woman like that isn't manly; it's childish, sellfish and deeply disrespectful.
The man is the more responsible, as one who is called to protect the woman, but the woman is morally culpable as well. A friend of mine once said there's only one thing as bad as a paid whore... and that is an unpaid whore.
The Graphite
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Good question, because I wasn't clear on this.
Genuine courtship always involves other people. This is one of the best things about it. When two people are alone with each other, they can act like someone they're not, in order to impress the other. But when you're in front of your friends and family, it not only 1) prevents you from treating the other person selfishly and disrespectfully as a sexual object, and 2) you will act like yourself or else be called out for it by people who know you. You will really be yourself, because your family and friends are right there as chaperones.
The Graphite
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I said no one is forced to do anything. People are brought together by loved ones, but they have a choice. The courtship is arranged. I didn't say the marriage ceremony was arranged and forced.
Quincy
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You get the pole dancer whose tat's will fade with the years. Young Christian men who work on keeping their minds pure get the fine Christian women who do the same
That's a presumptuous post if ever I've read one. I do thank you for keeping your children far away from me though especially if they are anything like you. I don't have the time deal with infantile minds who can't see past the tip of their nose.
Being introduced is one thing, but a courtship certainly implies something a lot more formalized than that. Have you seen, personally, these courtships in action?
Is she a journalist? There are all types of essays. Which type of essay was assigned?
She researched and knew what she was talking about. I don't know how good her writing skills are but her if they are anything like her speaking skills, she's an all around brilliant young woman. I wonder if she goes to Denver Bible Church. They seem to be raising some amazing Christians over there.
She discussed this history of dating and gave her opinion. She did a fine job. You don't like her opinion.
Brian fits you well. Bottom's up (Re 22:11). γνῶθι σαὐτόν.
Woman, you don't have a single original thought in your head...and copying and pasting Greek isn't the same as actually understanding it. Why don't you quit while you're still ahead.
The problem here is they don't get the difference between dating and courtship.
Not to mention one doesn't even have to go out on what might be defined as a date to get to know another person. I don't date my best friend, but we know each other better than we know any other person.
It differs greatly from the modern idea of dating in this culture.
MrRadish
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Well, if it's being presented as a research paper, then presumably an academic one. If she were writing an opinion article then it shouldn't have been formatted as a paper.
That she'd researched is apparent (although, again, there's very little evidence of her having read any material opposed to her argument) but a body of quoted research does not a convincing argument make. If she were to hand this paper in at a university I can almost guarantee it wouldn't get higher than a 2:2, if that. It's just not a very well-argued essay.
So you didn't read your own link?
She didn't discuss it, though, at least not in any academically substantial way. She relied on unsupported assertions (eg. concern over popularity is a direct result of dating, dating has led to genocide), undefined and subjective terminology (degradation, purity, morality), and monocausal reasoning for the main body of her argument, and failed to demonstrate a consideration of counterarguments. That's not a discussion.
Her writing style was also inconsistent with the work's presentation as an academic essay, but that's far less important than the fundamental skill of being able to argue a point properly.
I couldn't care less what her opinion is.
Ferengi.
And Klingon patok...
You don't care for the info getting out?
each: You'd like to silence the critic? :yawn:
Enyart is not to your liking? Not your
each: cup of tea?
MrRadish
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Ferengi.
And Klingon patok...
You don't care for the info getting out?
:squint:
If this is SD's original thought then I think I prefer the copy and pastes...
You got that right. Yeeesh.
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