Crisis On The Border, Thanks Joe! (you filthy rapist)
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You should, because 1) it's not their responsibility, and 2) they are stealing in order to accomplish it.
Far more effective help can be obtained from family, friends, neighbors, nearby churches, and local organizations.
The best way for the unemployed to get help is to get a job. Not to seek assistance from the government.
Same as above. Family, friends, neighbors, nearby churches, and local organizations.
No need for the government to get involved.
See the video above.
The government does NOT have the right to use tax money for that purpose.
You apparently think we have some power over the government, or else you wouldn't tell us to...
As if that will do... something.
You're thankful that the government is stealing from hard working people in order to take a cut for themselves, and then redistribute it to those who have not earned it.
No, I am not thankful that the government is stealing from me and everyone else so that it could fund its socialist programs.
Simply advocating for socialist programs IS advocating for theft.
MOST forms of taxation are theft.
No, I don't, you liar, bearer of false witness!
Quit with your false accusations! Final warning!
Such needs can be met without government intervention.
Wrong. You are, in fact, advocating theft.
Supra.
You can't forgive me for something I never did, you troll.
Either support your accusations, or stop making them.
The government helping the needy is theft.
You advocating for it is sin, because of the fact that theft is a sin, and advocation of a sin is also a sin.
In other words, you will continue to thank God for wickedness!
Do not blaspheme God! God has nothing to do with the government's so-called "charity."
Too bad.
It's not me that you're disagreeing with, Hoping. It's God you're disagreeing with! That makes you WRONG!
Irrelevant to the discussion.
There is no reason for the government to be involved in such actions.
What is the reason you are here?
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There are some excellent quotes on this subject here: https://www.azquotes.com/author/1031-Frederic_Bastiat
Like this one:
Like this one:
ok doser
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1. A wall
2. Catch and release back over the border.
Of course! My comment was based on his premise. He seems to think that I believe there's some possibility that I'm going to convince him to change his mind and am therefore spending my time and effort with that goal in mind. If that's what I was doing, then practically every syllable I type here on TOL would be a waste of time. Not that I wouldn't be elated for someone to actually allow their mind to persuade their heart away from false doctrine, I totally would be completely ecstatic if any such thing happened but I also think it would be cool for a meteorite to land in my back yard. Not exactly something I expect to happen!
I stick around here because I know that there are like minded people here who know how to think and how to clearly articulate doctrines that actually make sense and that are consistent with the existence of a God Who is actually and meaningfully living, personal, kind, loving, righteous, just, merciful, etc. It keeps me connected to these people and reminds me that I'm not the only one around. Definitely NOT a waste of time, no matter how brainless the particular dullard is that I'm interacting with directly.
Clete
There are several reasons. The only one that pertains to you is the fact that practice, even practice against morons, helps keep these issues fresh in my mind. If I had people of reason and of sound mind to debate with, like used to be here on TOL, then I'd debate them exclusively and completely ignore heretical morons such as yourself. That, however is not an option, so I settle for the likes of you for as long as I can stand it and then I place you on ignore for a while until the rotten egg taste is no longer in the back of my throat.
Clete
Here is one that doesn't violate God's laws:
With the exception of criminals who have committed a capital crime being put to death, and NOT being released back across the border.
How is that an answer to the deeper questions?
Tens of thousands seek to live here, work here, raise families here.
Keeping them out or catching and retuning them solves nothing.
Why not let them work so they can pay the taxes that will enable the nation to cope with them?
That is sensible.
I find the practice I get here trains me for face-to-face meetings with folks on the street.
Thanks for the suggestions...(which didn't show up in my post).
OK.
Not may states still have a death penalty though.
Most would just spend time in underfunded, understaffed, prisons.
Part of the "replace criminal justice system" would be reinstating the death penalty for capital crimes.
ok doser
lifeguard at the cement pond
It's an answer to the border problem, as you asked
That's not a border problem, that's an immigration problem
ok doser
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ok doser
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Not at all
Where should they be? In their home countries applying for visas at the US consulate.
ok doser
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That is the ideal method for every other country in the world and used to be the model for ours.
The world is full of dangerous situations and dire poverty that people would prefer to run away from rather than fix.
Which is why we should return them across the border.
Build the wall.
Catch and release across the border.
Yes.
It is very loving to the victim of a capital crime (and his family and loved ones) to put such a criminal to death, for they are my neighbors too.
It's also loving to the criminal himself to put him to death. When faced with their own mortality, 50% of people will turn to Christ for salvation, and the other 50% will reject Him.
Not putting such a criminal to death is harmful to the criminal, to the victim (and/or his family and loved ones), and to society as a whole.
kill =/= murder
God never said "you shall not kill."
He said "you shall not murder."
It's a completely different word in the Hebrew text.
Otherwise, He would have been contradicting Himself when He said "put the murderer to death."
The death penalty is at the heart of the gospel.