Crisis On The Border, Thanks Joe! (you filthy rapist)

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Whatever we plan and whatever we do should be in the light of these three clear objectives of security. We cannot afford to lose valuable time in haphazard public policies which cannot find a place in the broad outlines of these major purposes. In that spirit I come to an immediate issue made for us by hard and inescapable circumstance—the task of putting people to work. In the spring of 1933 the issue of destitution seemed to stand apart; today, in the light of our experience and our new national policy, we find we can put people to work in ways which conform to, initiate and carry forward the broad principles of that policy.

The first objectives of emergency legislation of 1933 were to relieve destitution, to make it possible for industry to operate in a more rational and orderly fashion, and to put behind industrial recovery the impulse of large expenditures in Government undertakings. The purpose of the National Industrial Recovery Act to provide work for more people succeeded in a substantial manner within the first few months of its life, and the Act has continued to maintain employment gains and greatly improved working conditions in industry.

The program of public works provided for in the Recovery Act launched the Federal Government into a task for which there was little time to make preparation and little American experience to follow. Great employment has been given and is being given by these works.

More than two billions of dollars have also been expended in direct relief to the destitute. Local agencies of necessity determined the recipients of this form of relief. With inevitable exceptions the funds were spent by them with reasonable efficiency and as a result actual want of food and clothing in the great majority of cases has been overcome.

But the stark fact before us is that great numbers still remain unemployed.

A large proportion of these unemployed and their dependents have been forced on the relief rolls. The burden on the Federal Government has grown with great rapidity. We have here a human as well as an economic problem. When humane considerations are concerned, Americans give them precedence. The lessons of history, confirmed by the evidence immediately before me, show conclusively that continued dependence upon relief induces a spiritual and moral disintegration fundamentally destructive to the national fibre. To dole out relief in this way is to administer a narcotic, a subtle destroyer of the human spirit. It is inimical to the dictates of sound policy. It is in violation of the traditions of America. Work must be found for able-bodied but destitute workers.

The Federal Government must and shall quit this business of relief.

I am not willing that the vitality of our people be further sapped by the giving of cash, of market baskets, of a few hours of weekly work cutting grass, raking leaves or picking up .papers in the public parks. We must preserve not only the bodies of the unemployed from destitution but also their self-respect, their self-reliance and courage and determination. This decision brings me to the problem of what the Government should do with approximately five million unemployed now on the relief rolls.

About one million and a half of these belong to the group which in the past was dependent upon local welfare efforts. Most of them are unable for one reason or another to maintain themselves independently—for the most part, through no fault of their own. Such people, in the days before the great depression, were cared for by local efforts—by States, by counties, by towns, by cities, by churches and by private welfare agencies. It is my thought that in the future they must be cared for as they were before. I stand ready through my own personal efforts, and through the public influence of the office that I hold, to help these local agencies to get the means necessary to assume this burden.



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Some of the wisest words FDR ever uttered.

Shame no politician currently has the guts to even utter such words, let alone mean them.
 

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Joe Biden's Immigration Policy Comes Home To Roost​

The White House faces a child labor crisis of its own making​

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President Joe Biden's first acts in office included a rollback of his predecessor's restrictive immigration policy—one that Biden had characterized on the campaign trail as "cruel" and "inhumane."

The policies of his administration have led to an unprecedented spike in border crossings and, well, the chickens are coming home to roost. A New York Times report on Monday detailed how those policies are fueling a nationwide child labor crisis, the details of which would make Upton Sinclair blush. Some might even call it "cruel" and "inhumane."

Thousands of alien children—some as young as 12 years old—are now working illegally at slaughterhouses, factories, and construction sites. Caseworkers estimate that roughly two-thirds of all unaccompanied alien children will work full-time after they're released from government custody, and the Department of Health and Human Services has lost contact with over 85,000 alien children since Biden assumed office.

 

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"the Department of Health and Human Services has lost contact with over 85,000 alien children since Biden assumed office"


HYPOCRITE!
FRAUD!
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I do what the Lord has enabled me to do.
May He be praised for what I do in His name.
The Lord has enabled you to think and expects you to do so and He expects for you to act based on reason not emotion. Are we not to conduct ourselves wisely, rather than stupidly and base our policy on its effect rather than it's intent.

How hard is it to see that the more liberal this (or any) nation becomes, the more people become poor and the deeper their poverty becomes? Is this what you expect God to be praise for?

2 Thessalonians 3:10 For even when we were with you, we commanded you this: If anyone will not work, neither shall he eat.​
 
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I do what the Lord has enabled me to do.
May He be praised for what I do in His name.

When you stand before God, He won't be looking at all the good things you did.

He'll be looking at all the evil things that came about from your supposedly good intentions. He will be looking at all of the exceptions you made, all the good things you should have done, but didn't because "the government can take care of it!"

He won't praise you for what you do in His name.

He will say, "Depart from me, for I never knew you."
 

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My intent is to manifest the life, and death, of Christ to others.
By helping others in the name of Jesus Christ, the effect is the glorification of Father and the name of Jesus Christ.
Faith without works is dead, you know.
You don't do that by advocating thief.
If only the nation were doing it for the glory of God.
Oh well...
Governments are ruled by thieves and liars.
Oh well...
 

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My intent is to manifest the life, and death, of Christ to others.
Intent isn't relevant if the effect is the opposite.

By helping others in the name of Jesus Christ, the effect is the glorification of Father and the name of Jesus Christ.
That's only true if they are actually helped and if you didn't harm someone else in order to help them.

Faith without works is dead, you know.
Faith without works is the only faith that works at all today.

Romans 4:5 But to him who does not work but believes on Him who justifies the ungodly, his faith is accounted for righteousness,

Not that it's relevant. As I've told you repeatedly and as you have repeatedly ignored because you're defeated by this single fact, I am not apposed to helping the poor. What I'm apposed to is my production being stolen from me in order to feed the lazy, stupid, drug addicted criminals that our government nurtures through it's bloated, wasteful, ineffective and immoral "welfare" system.

If only the nation were doing it for the glory of God.
That would not be possible! Before there can be charity, there has to first be production. The nation (i.e. the government) does not produce anything. Thus, "charity" that comes from government is just the redistribution of someone else's production. This redistribution is done by force and if it were anyone other than the government doing it, everyone would see it for the theft that it is.

Oh well...
That anemic reaction is befitting your hobbled ability to think, to understand and to apply yourself in a constructive, productive and beneficial manner. In short you're a fool and you promote stupidity in the name of Jesus Christ and then expect it to bring Him glory on the basis of your intent and in contradiction to the simplest of reason as well as every lesson history can teach you.

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Hopefully

"Hopefully?"

You HOPE he says something good to you?

Forget the fact that what you quoted was for Israel...

He will say..."And the King shall answer and say unto them, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye have done it unto one of the least of these my brethren, ye have done it unto me." (Matt 25:40)

Supra.

You may have misread me.
What I can do for the random person with a sign should not be confused with what the government does with its tax revenue..

That's ironic, considering that's what you've been doing this entire time when attempting to argue against what I'm saying.

Advocating that the government steals from people to give to others is the latter, by the way, not the former.

I don't obey Him for praise.
I do it because I love Him above all else.

Advocating theft is not loving God, or your neighbor, for that matter.
 

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You are back to the government's wastes again.

That's been the topic this entire time, you numbskull!

I am not a government.

You're advocating that the government rob Peter to pay Paul.

I can't speak for governments.

But you certainly want the government to steal from your neighbors.
 

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It is to the intender.

It doesn't matter at all. What matters is what IS right and good and loving, not what you or anyone "intends" to be loving.

God is more interested in His creation doing what is right, not what is "well intentioned."

I am here to meet the immediate need of the less fortunate.

The immediate need is for the government to stop forcibly taking (theft) from those who produce of their life, and giving it to those who do not.

Aren't you?

I, and I surmise so is Clete, am here to uphold what is right.

Giving of myself doesn't hurt anyone but me.

Quit changing the subject.

Clete is talking about the government doing so, not individuals.

You are concerned about what the government does with your money.

Because what they are doing with it is immoral and unjust.

I have no control over that.

You don't?

SO then why did you tell Clete later on in your post to, "Talk to your rep'"?

I am, however, pleased that they use it to help the needy after storms, quakes, fires, etc.

You think the government is doing that?

If the government were not involved in "a hundred other things," it could ACTUALLY provide emergency assistance after natural disasters and such, and do so FAR more efficiently than they currently do.

And that they help those with families they cannot support...

That's not something they should be doing.

The "those with families they cannot support" should look to assistance from their family, friends, neighbors, local churches and organizations for help. Not the government.

But the government doesn't like not being relied upon, so they force you to pay taxes that they use for "taking care of the needy," and in doing so, they profit off of it.

Talk about conflict of interest!

and a hundred other things.

Yeah, that's the problem.

No organization, be it government or corporation or group or business, can do a hundred or more different things well.

But organizations that focus on one or two things are usually very good at doing them.

The very fact that the government is trying to do a hundred different things means it cannot do any one of them efficiently, let alone the things it is SUPPOSED to be doing, that being infrastructure and justice.

This nation has taxation with representation.
Talk to your rep'.

It's also a democratic republic, where the majority rules, and the majority is literally tearig the country apart through their wickedness.

You can't turn such a ship around with a vote.

I will continue to pray for those in charge, as Paul exhorted in 1 Tim 2:1-3.

Good for you.

But God requires ACTION, not just prayer.

I have never met anyone, in or out of the faith, who was against helping the needy before now.

What we're against is the government helping the needy, because it's not their responsibility.

If your comments are confined to the governments work, keep voting, and praying for change.

Neither of those things will make any sort of difference at this point.

With all my heart.

So you don't actually know?

You need to repent and ask God for forgiveness, before it's too late, so that you CAN know, and not just "hope."

If you feel the promises spoken to the Israelite believers have no application to you too, I have no comment.

Then why say anything at all?

I think we are discussing two different topics.

Yes, thank you for finally catching up to the rest of the group!

I keep getting push-back for being generous to the needy with comments about the government's assistance for the needy.
Let's see if we can keep the two topics separate.

Hypocrite!

I don't consider taxation theft.

The taxation you advocate for in order to fund the government's "taking care of the needy" IS theft, whether you consider it so or not!

If I did, I would move to a different country.

Don't lie. You wouldn't move even if you did.

Agreed.
If anything, I advocate for the needy.

Then stop advocating for socialist programs. They're theft.

In light of the OP, the needy are coming across the border in hope of supporting themselves and, or, families.

If that's the reason you think they're crossing the border at this point, then you're clearly out of touch.

Give them a social security card when they arrive,

Why? Why not just let them work, and tax them on what they earn?

and let them work and pay taxes.

Agreed!

In three or five, or ? years, make them eligible to take part in those things available now to all Americans.

In other words, have the government take from them too, in addition to what the government takes from all Americans, so that the government can take a cut for themselves, and then fund more socialist programs that makes everyone more dependent on the government, so that they pay more into those socialist funds, so that the government...

Hmmm.

Penalize those who pay "under the table" too.

In other words: Punish those who want to pay their workers what both employer and employee have decided upon, rather than what the government says they should...

Hmmm. I wonder what Jesus had to say about that...

It wasn't the topic I was discussing.

Yes, thank you for finally realizing that, doofus.

Now maybe you can actually address the problems we've been pointing out with what you said.

As our elected officials are not 'robbing" anyone, your point is moot.

I'm not talking about "our elected officials" (none of whom I've voted for, as far as I'm aware).

I'm talking about the government as a whole, a concept you seem to have trouble understanding.

My charity to the needy doesn't "rob" anyone either.

Wrong topic.

What I said was:

You're advocating that the government rob Peter to pay Paul.

Didn't you just say, "I keep getting push-back for being generous to the needy with comments about the government's assistance for the needy" and "Let's see if we can keep the two topics separate"?

So let's keep the two topics separate, shall we?

Not for a moment.

These...

And that they help those with families they cannot support...and a hundred other things.

Give them a social security card when they arrive, and let them work and pay taxes.
In three or five, or ? years, make them eligible to take part in those things available now to all Americans.
Penalize those who pay "under the table" too.

... require stealing from you and everyone (your neighbors). Thus, you do, in fact, advocate the government steal from your neighbors, simply by promoting such things.

Our elected leaders do what their constituents want them to do.

Yes, that's part of the problem.

But they also have their own agendas, usually to gain power and wealth.

Do you vote?

It's irrelevant, but no.

God never authorized man to vote on His laws. That includes "do not steal."

Are you a constituent?

I work for a living, unlike most of the people who are on the government payroll.
 

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Loving my neighbor as I love myself is always right.

What you advocate is not loving.

The Godly don't work from ill intentions.

You are not Godly, and just because something is well intentioned, doesn't make it right.


I have updated my post.

It is obvious that there are two subjects being discussed.

Thanks for the info, Captain Obvious!

Maybe if you would stop talking about your personal acts of service, we could actually discuss

When I write of one-on-one helps you write about the government.

Because I'm trying to get YOU back on topic.

Why haven't you figured that out yet?

I think we should let it rest.

I think you're copping out. Why else would you ignore my entire post?
 

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Texas Senate passes bill allowing state law enforcement to arrest illegal migrants​



The Texas Senate has passed a bill authorizing Texas law enforcement officers to arrest foreign nationals who’ve illegally entered Texas from Mexico.

SB 2424, which creates a state criminal offense of improper entry from a foreign nation, filed by Sen. Brian Birdwell, R-Grandbury, passed the Senate along party lines by a vote of 18-12.

Birdwell argues the federal government has abrogated its duty to enforce immigration law and “Texas had to fill the gaps.” However, he also said in a statement, “Texas peace officers would not be enforcing federal immigration laws, but rather a new state-level crime created by the bill: illegal entry into Texas from a foreign nation.”

The bill would create a new offense, “improper entry from foreign nation,” in state penal code. It clarifies that those committing the offense are an illegal “alien” who “enters or attempts to enter this state from a foreign nation at any location other than a lawful point of entry; eludes examination or inspection by United States immigration officers; or attempts to enter or obtains entry to this state from a foreign nation by an intentionally false or misleading representation or the intentional concealment of a material fact.”

SB 2424 also would authorize state law enforcement officers to arrest those who violate the law anywhere in Texas.

 

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It is to the intender.
Only if they're stupid and foolish!

I am here to meet the immediate need of the less fortunate.
Aren't you?
Not by stealing from the the more fortunate, I'm not and neither should you be! Theft is not righteousness, Hoping! It doesn't matter what your intent is nor what is done with the stolen property.

You are literally advocating the removal of somone's rights based on someone else's laziness all so you can FEEL like you did something good when in actual fact you HARMED both parties!

Giving of myself doesn't hurt anyone but me.
If it is done voluntarily, it typically doesn't harm you at all. Once again, I am not arguing against giving to the poor. I am arguing against taxes being collected by force of law so as to be given to people who refuse to provide for themselves in exchange for their votes!

Depends on which kind of works you are writing about.
No, it doesn't.

The works of the Law that Paul wrote against, (circumcision, dietary rules, tithing, feast keeping, etc.), have no value; but helping someone on the side of the road with a flat tire does.
You're almost completely ignorant of the bible. Both Paul and James use the exact same act, the exact same "work" and both were speaking about what it takes to be saved.

That would be the kind of works Paul wrote against.
No, it isn't. No one needs your help to understand Paul's writings. All you have to do is read it.

The works evident in the converted are a different matter.
No, they are not a different matter. If you're relying on a single one of them to gain, maintain or enhance a relationship with God then all you're doing is hanging Christ back onto the cross.

You are concerned about what the government does with your money.
I have no control over that.
Really? That's interesting. Before you were telling me that the solution was to vote people out of office!

Funny how that doesn't work when the the number of people gaining from government theft out number the people who are actually earning the money that the government steals on their behalf.

I am, however, pleased that they use it to help the needy after storms, quakes, fires, etc.
Stupidity.

Private organizations could do the same and do it better in every conceivable way, with far less fraud and without having to steal people's money to get the funding for it.

And that they help those with families they cannot support...and a hundred other things.
All things that can be accomplished without the government!

This nation has taxation with representation.
Talk to your rep'.
Contradict yourself much?

It is precisely the representative form of government that has created the problem! No surprise that you, the Socialist, would look to the arsonist for help with putting out the fire.

I will continue to pray for those in charge, as Paul exhorted in 1 Tim 2:1-3.
Pray for what? They they distribute their stolen goods so as to expand the underclass that is dependent upon their "charity" for their survival?

I have never met anyone, in or out of the faith, who was against helping the needy before now.
This was an intentional lie. Lying is a sin and your libel will not be forgotten on judgment day, Hoping.

If your comments are confined to the governments work, keep voting, and praying for change.
Just thick headed stupidity! It is precisely voting that got us into the mess in the first place. No amount of voting is going to fix it. On the contrary, what will happen is that it will continue to get worse and worse until the economy collapses or a revolution happens or both. History is replete with examples of when either or both have occurred. It has always been the fault of people like you who advocate systematic robbery and it has always been blamed on the people who were getting systematically robbed.

Proverbs 11:19 As righteousness leads to life, So he who pursues evil pursues it to his own death.
 

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Again, you are over-lapping what I do with what the government does.

YOU are advocating that the GOVERNMENT does something. THAT is what I have an issue with, aside from what the government does.

I'm not talking about what YOU YOURSELF does for the poor.

Why is that so hard for you to understand?

As long as you recognize that it would be a switch,

Hypocrite.

it is clear you can tell the two apart.

And you apparently cannot.

As I have no power over what the government can do,

Then don't tell us to...

Talk to your representative and congress man.

Because we're in the same boat, as far as that's concerned.

I am left with praying for them to use wisdom and grace in their management skills.

And advocating that the government continues to steal from people...

Castigating them is of no use.

I'm castigating YOU, doofus, because YOU are advocating that the government does what is wrong, which makes YOU wrong.

Your comments keep accusing me of stuff the government does.

Wrong. I am accusing you (and quoting you) of ADVOCATING for the government TO do MORE of something it ALREADY DOES.

HUGE difference!


Because you are advocating theft.

Perhaps, after a while, the topic will get back to the things you and I cannot control but just rant about.

You're the one advocating for the government to steal more.

Then you can quit accusing my charity as being, somehow, unGodly.

I have never once done so. You CANNOT quote me doing so.

I am accusing your ADVOCATION of the GOVERNMENT'S "charity" as being unGodly. In other words, I am accusing you of sinning for advocating that the government should steal more to fund their "charity."

Why is that so hard for you to understand?
 

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Talk to your representative and congress man.
Your riled up displeasure is wasted here.
Everything I do here is wasted, particularly that which has anything to do with you. Fortunately, you aren't the reason I do it.

Don't ever claim to do anything based on biblical thinking in my presence. You're a liar and a religious hack who's every theological distinctive is based on flat out ignorance, overtly false doctrine, legalism and self-aggrandizement. Politically, you've joined forces with the enemy and don't seem to care who you hurt in the process - never mind what damage is done to the Christian faith and to God's own reputation!
Doctrinally, you seem to know next to nothing at all about the most fundamental moral foundations of the Christian faith. You believe a combination of what you've been taught to believe and that which you desire to believe and couldn't care less when that belief directly contradicts the most plainly stated scriptures that any twelve year old child could read and understand.
I've got news for you, Hoping. Despite what every pagan religion in the world teaches you, blind belief isn't the same thing as faith! If you're saved at all, it'll be by the scorched skin of your teeth. (I Cor. 3:15)

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YOU are advocating that the GOVERNMENT does something. THAT is what I have an issue with, aside from what the government does.

I'm not talking about what YOU YOURSELF does for the poor.

Why is that so hard for you to understand?
It isn't hard for him to understand at all. He gets it totally. He's lying.
 
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