6days
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Creation vs. Evolution II
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Dear Greg Jennings,
I don't buy into that. I think that most of the salts in the Dead Sea are from rainwater washing down salty towns that used to be. I don't care about the Caspian Sea. I care about why the Dead Sea is so salty. You don't believe that God overthrew the two cities, or that He turned Lot's wife into a pillar of salt, but I do. I say there is a reason for all of 'those salts.'
Sincerely,
Michael
Dear gcthomas,
No, he's not saying that. Why do you all gang up on 6days? I see Rosenritter has 'left the building,' so that makes things a lot harder for 6days. Take it easy. Aren't there like ~6-8 atheists or so here? So I guess none of you want to obey the Lord God??
God Be With Those Who Obey Him,
Michael
Dear 6days,
They don't seem to realize that the things they can't explain are because they try to explain each thing with logic and 'science' of man. God can do things that they cannot explain because their 150 year old 'science' can't prove them. In other words, God is no stranger to miracles. Not in the slightest. They might get a real laugh out of how God rescued Daniel from the lions, and also from the fire in the furnace. They think a pillar of salt is hard to believe? Ha!!
Happy To Serve God Beside You, 6days!!
Michael
What do you mean you will have to stop me right where?
It's not a pagan holiday, Stuu. Only a celebration of Thanks for all that God has given us. It is celebrated at the end of our harvest time. And we totally enjoy it to the fullest!! Just like Christmas, which you also do not celebrate. I guess that the one thing you are missing on both is that you don't believe in God. Today was an awesome day and its was fun to share it with others and sample delicious foods. I wish we could agree on something, Stuart!! Are you having killer good weather there in New Zealand?? I'd bet you have an interesting accent!! I hope you are having fun there. Do you go fishing or boating at all? Is there a beach near you?? Enjoy!! Yes, Canada already celebrated their Thanksgiving, just not on the same day as the U.S. is all.
God Answers Prayer,
Michael
Dear Hedshaker,
God didn't make the mistake, silly! I made the mistake alone. The thing is, Hedshaker, that I can easily understand that you can't believe me. It is quite a lot that has happened to me that seems unbelievable and I am the first to quickly agree. But I must tell you that I have tons of friends and my family who believe what I have to say and many people around the whole world have read my book and I get only good impact back. So give it a rest to my mistake and start correcting your own mistakes, like dissing your God and Creator.
Yes, you are easily gullible for believing there is no God or Creator and that all of this to date just happened by itself. You won't be happy until you hear it from Him, so hang in there.
I had no idea you thought that. I never did. No one else has ever brought that up. No, I didn't watch much TV back then. I had too much going on in my life. I had to travel from Staten Island to Manhattan by a ferry boat, and I worked eight hours, and had plenty else going on so, no, I never saw anything of the sort on TV beforehand. The reporter was petrified and I got a three-hour interview. It was a miracle from God, Hedshaker.
Well, Hedshaker, we do all make mistakes and I know mine was a Whopper, but I was wrong and made a BIG mistake, and I apologize. That does not mean everything else in my life is untrue. You DON'T believe in God. I think you are making a MUCH WORSE mistake than most will ever make, and you don't even know it. Eeeeek!! Come on, Hedshaker, Ride on the Peace Train!! Get your bags together. Go, bring your good friends too! 'Cause it's getting nearer; It soon will be with you, so come and join the living, it's not so far from you.' I know you should recognize the words and you might be a little too young, but I digress. There's a lot going on in this world than you realize. Only someone extremely gullible would lose his life over something ingrained into his head from the devil, Satan. I know you don't believe in him. That's like a soldier going down for the third time because he didn't know who was tricking him.
If I didn't care about you, I would have gone away a lot sooner. Surely, you can see the light, somehow soon.
Cheerio, Mate!!
Michael
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Right there.
Since is was declared a national holiday by various presidents, a religious thanksgiving would represent the establishment of a religion, which is surely unconstitutional.
Unconstitutional thanksgiving:
Constitutional thanksgiving:
But why are the answers always
either: 'No' (silence)
or: 'I'm sure you'll work it out' (indicated by silence)?
Stuart
With God, All Things Are Possible! Don't you know that by now, Redfern? Did you miss out on God parting the sea as is recorded?
6days and I do not give a flying squirrel what Jason Lisle had to say. We answer to someone above him, namely someone you should be fearful of, for you dismiss your own Creator. Do you think He likes that or that you are going to get away with it? Don't you know there will be Hell to pay. Tons of luck. Take a bucket of water with you.
You act as if 'we might' is including you as one of the initial workers in this effort.
Oh, aren't you "All That." You're a real scientist. I've taken merit algebra-trig, and I used to correct the teacher when he was trying to work out an equation that didn't seem to want to happen. After I showed him where he'd made his mistake, it all fell into place. Ain't I "All That."
God said that He created the 'Host of Heaven,' the Sun, and the Moon; so if He made them before man, who are you to argue with Him?? Now you've got another adversary to deal with. His name is God. See how well you do after He is through with you. Since you don't believe in Him, you will not care what happens to your future.
Sincerely,
Michael
Hedshaker
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Right. Tell you what, I've made an early New Years resolution. I'm going to rap my knuckles with a ruler every time I think about arguing nonsense with an half-wit.
So enjoy your angels, gods and devils, and believe what ever idiotic cods wallop you want. I really don't care. It's your mind not mine, thankfully. There's a saying: you cannot reason someone out of something they didn't reason themselves into.
I'll stick with reality, thanks.
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6days
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You used to be a kind person Hedshaker. I recall you welcoming me to TOL even though we disagreed. Likewise with Alwight...He often disagreed with Michael, but I was impressed with his kindness.
Hedshaker
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Point taken but, when someone doggedly refuses to give reason even a look in then often a little shock therapy can be the kindest way. Pampering to the Dunning Kruger Effect is anything but kind, IMO.
Don't get me wrong, I'm not questioning Michaels sincerity. Stripe has, as good as, suggested that Michael's angel visits etc are drug induced delusions, but there are far more simple, commonplace and natural explanations than that. And the more fantastic and free of evidence the proposals are the more we are inclined to employ Occam's Razor, IMO. Alien abduction, Big Foot and Elvis sightings, eg?
But when someone blanket refuses to even consider it then maybe a kick in the pants might help.
But you could be right. My patience isn't what it used to be
Greg Jennings
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I've tried, Michael. Have a good day
You've led me to discover Hanlon's razor which can be expressed, according to the Holy Wikipedia, as "Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity".
It strikes me that there are two levels of creationist, the Ignorants and the Liars. The Ignorants don't know enough to criticise the creationism of their tribes, and the Liars know the creationist arguments and know that those arguments are seriously undermined or disproved by science but persist with them, especially when preaching in front of the Ignorants.
What is the razor that insists one never attributes to ignorance that which can be shown to be blatant maliciousness?
Stuart
good post Michael
good post
good post, Stuu
Repeating – you said very explicitly that
And then referring to Lisle’s explanation that is directly based directly on physics, you said very explicitly that
If the contradiction in that goes over your head, you are hiding in denial.
The inclusive “we” you refer to is a small minority of religious extremists who resort to illogical backflips to avoid accepting what secular science accepted many decades ago, that the earth and universe are old enough that the light has adequate time to journey to earth without needing a supernatural boost.
I’m not the one that decreed that science would limit itself to natural things, that far predated me. But I do concur in it. And that decision on the part of science does not preclude you or anyone from encompassing whatever deity they prefer into their version of science. Just like you can make up new rules for any game you want to play, you can customize “creation science” however you like. But if you intend to have your conclusions accepted within the world of secular science, you must be prepared to support your conclusions sans any need to invoke your unique flavor of divine influence.
A divine foot? A few thousand divine feet, unless you are advocating that other religions not be given equal rights to view their collection of miracles as valid.
As you have often pointed out, science in its infancy was largely nurtured under a Christian mindset. Does it bother you that science, in its secular approach, found that some of the claims made by hard-line Christians were simply false? You want science to open its door to admit the very claims that it long since examined and determined were at best fables?
No problem, since I don’t.
And just like the last hundred years, that new knowledge will be another gift from a wide spectrum of scientists working within a common secular paradigm, not from scientifically sterile religious extremists.
You have already agreed that claim can only be sustained if science first works within its secular framework, and then the conclusions reached can be compared with religious claims. Science many decades ago concluded that the earth is billions of years old, the diversity of life is due to common descent, and there was no global flood a few thousand years ago.
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Make a rock so big He can’t pick it up?
Yeah, I think that was a tad before I was born. You were there?
Did you confirm that with 6? He seems to hold out hope that Lisle has the right answer.
Nope, I just don’t believe in Him. If He exists and thumps me for being honest, then that’s what will happen.
Nah, I use “we” to refer to the scientific community in general. How do you think I should word it?
Along with a few million others.
Good, then feel free to make sure any math we post is correct.
So He is a God who wants me to lie, and is now an adversary because I won’t lie?
Is there any verse in the Bible hinting that the stars (excluding the sun, of course) were created on the 4th day?
Can anyone who knows of such a verse volunteer to show me? Thank you very much.
1Mind1Spirit
Literal lunatic
He already did it.
Christ our rock was made so big that God can no longer pick him up.:think: