Could Hugh Hefner & Donald Trump Be Homosexual?

[Arthur Brain]

And I respect that choice.

I don't respect your ignorance or your bull headed stubbornness where it comes to a failed argument. It is not a choice. It never was a choice the same way that it's never been a conscious choice of mine to either enjoy or not enjoy differing pieces of music. There is no "training" to "enjoy" bland pop music and you've had nothing to support that position from the very first time you were bonkers enough to insist on it being the case.

Carry on being demented on that if you want, the same as you're being with rape. You won't listen to anything that doesn't agree with your view anyway.

 

[ClimateSanity]

Wonderful.

You were commenting on my post:

"overtly violent rapes are only the most visible and dramatic form of sexual abuse behind bars. Many victims of prison rape have never had a knife to their throat. They may have never been explicitly threatened. But they have nonetheless engaged in sexual acts against their will, believing that they had no choice."

you responded: "Sex without love does not necessarily equal rape."

Since prison sex is coercive it is rape which has nothing to do with love.

Not all prison sex is coercive.

 

[Town Heretic]

Is theft not "about" stealing?

Most theft isn't about the particular object but about the desire for the money that will come from disposing of the object. Or, there's another, deeper motivation. Some thieves may enjoy stealing, but most are in it for the money.

Is murder not "about" killing?

Most homicides are committed during a criminal act unrelated else. That is, people mostly kill other people for a reason other than they enjoy killing, though some do and always will.

Rape is largely about other internal issues. It is a warped way to power, dominance and an expression of deep inner turmoil on the whole.

Rape is "about" sex.

The rapist wanted to have sex. The victim didn't.
The victim was forced. That's what rape is.

Sex is obtainable without force for most people. Darren Sharper, a man many women would call handsome, was a popular, wealthy athlete who recently listened as a judge sent him to prison for the next few decades. He'd drugged and raped a number of women. He didn't have to do that to just have sex.

 

[ok doser]

Rape is "about" sex.

oxford agrees with you

rape1 noun 1The crime, typically committed by a man, of forcing another person to have sexual intercourse with the offender against their will:

 

[glassjester]

Carry on being demented on that if you want,

It's not a choice,
I was born that way.

 

[glassjester]

Darren Sharper, a man many women would call handsome, was a popular, wealthy athlete who recently listened as a judge sent him to prison for the next few decades. He'd drugged and raped a number of women. He didn't have to do that to just have sex.

Why were his victims all women?

That's a weird coincidence.

 

[ok doser]

Why were his victims all women?

That's a weird coincidence.

if he wanted to exert his power/dominance/control over them, couldn't he just have tied them up and tossed oatmeal at them?

 

[glassjester]

if he wanted to exert his power/dominance/control over them, couldn't he just have tied them up and tossed oatmeal at them?

Would that be considered rape? Why or why not?

 

[ok doser]

Would that be considered rape? Why or why not?

it would have to be, because it's not about sex and rape isn't about sex

 

[glassjester]

it would have to be, because it's not about sex and rape isn't about sex

I'm wondering what this claim (rape is "about" power) is based on.

Were a bunch of rapists interviewed?
Did they all say they did it to get more power?

 

[Town Heretic]

Why were his victims all women?

That's a weird coincidence.

Why? He's heterosexual. However he uses the sex act it's going to be as an expression of who and what he is.

What you're avoiding in that is the rape part. Why would a man who could have any number of willing sexual partners instead choose to have sex with an unwilling partner? If sex is the thing itself that doesn't make sense. If, however, he takes satisfaction on an emotional and mental level by coupling the purely physical gratification with something else, it begins to make a sad sort of sense. If sex is serving that other thing first, to the degree that he's willing to risk jail and personal humiliation, along with the inevitable financial ruin, then that other thing demands more notice and discussion.

 

[ok doser]

Why? He's heterosexual. However he uses the sex act ....

so it is about sex :thumb:

 

[Town Heretic]

so it is about sex :thumb:

No, it's about how sex is being used and the motivation, which you'd understand if a) you'd read with better comprehension or b) were interested in a serious conversation instead of just trying to get a rise (and that's the only conversation we're going to have on the subject as your motive is less a mystery and what follows is bound to be as pointless as engaging you).

 

[ok doser]

No, it's about how sex is being used....(girly rant deleted)

seems to me that's about sex :idunno:


doesn't seem like it could be about how sex is used if sex wasn't used


and if sex is being used, then it's about sex

 

[glassjester]

Why? He's heterosexual.

And if he'd raped men instead? What would that mean?

 

[ok doser]

And if he'd raped men instead? What would that mean?

Nothing!


because it's not about sex


that's why he raped men too......


(oh, wait a minute...)

 

[glassjester]

Nothing!


because it's not about sex


that's why he raped men too......


(oh, wait a minute...)

I guess he would also seek the most powerful victims, too?

CEO's, bodybuilders, Navy SEALS...


Or did he seek victims he was sexually attracted to?

 

[ok doser]

I guess he would also seek the most powerful victims, too?

CEO's, bodybuilders, Navy SEALS...


Or did he seek victims he was sexually attracted to?

all of his victims were ugly and old and fat and covered in warts and.....


because it wasn't about sex


having forced sex with his victims wasn't about sex :dizzy:

 

[Arthur Brain]

It's not a choice,
I was born that way.

If you can appreciate the subtleties of something like "Black Mirror" then ignorance is not an excuse you can use. Seems that you're either just unwilling to acknowledge the erroneous crap of spouting that folk can "choose" to like boring music or at this stage just fundamentally dishonest about it cos you know you can't support it.

Either one isn't good.

 

[Crucible]

Educate yourself.

Rape is not about dominance or control, it's forced sexual fulfillment. You women are the author of that myth, and are the main ones who perpetuate it.
The only men you're going to find agreeing with you are those like AB who are proud of their little chains placed on them- they need YOU to tell THEM about the nature of male rapists, while you declare anything directed at women 'misogyny'