Concerning the feasts of the LORD, these are MY FEASTS - Lev. 23

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These are the feasts of the LORD, even holy convocations, which ye shall proclaim in their seasons. - Lev 23:2

Holy Convocations: מִקְרָא miqrâʼ, mik-raw' - an assembly, a rehearsal

God says that the seven feasts are His feasts.
(1) Passover - what's the significance of this feast of God, what is it "rehearsing"?
 
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beameup said:
These are the feasts of the LORD, even holy convocations, which ye shall proclaim in their seasons. - Lev 23:2

Holy Convocations: מִקְרָא miqrâʼ, mik-raw' - an assembly, a rehearsal

God says that the seven feasts are His feasts.
(1) Passover - what's the significance of this feast of God, what is it "rehearsing"?
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Yup...His feasts...to rehearse until He celebrates with us...

All of these were to symbolically represent how we are seperate from Him and how we can reunite with Him...faith then obedience

Sacrifices were for sins done in ignorance...the Passover spirit is "forgive us all Father for we know not what we do"...and "thanks for letting us rehearse to get it right"...

Paul instructs that we should celebrate the feast(s) with the new unleavened bread of Spirit and Truth...
 
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Spring Feasts:
Passover = crucifixion
Unleavened Bread = burial
First Fruits = resurrection

1) Passover — Pointed to the Messiah as our Passover lamb whose blood would be shed for our sins. Jesus was crucified on the day of preparation for the Passover, at the same time that the lambs were being slaughtered for the Passover meal that evening. [sacrifice of the spotless lamb]

2) Unleavened Bread — Pointed to the Messiah’s sinless life, making Him the perfect sacrifice for our sins. Jesus’ body was in the grave during the first days of this feast. [leaven represents sin]

3) First Fruits — Pointed to the Messiah’s resurrection as the first fruits of the righteous. Jesus was resurrected on this very day.
 
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jamie said:
YHWH said, "Speak to the children of Israel and say to them: ‘The feasts of the LORD...

Why do you believe the NT church is made up of the children of Jacob?

Three times each year able-bodied males were to attend the feasts in Jerusalem, did Paul teach this to the church?
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Jacob? More like Abraham...His feasts were taught to the Hebrews all of Israel because they were unaware of what it meant to be abrahams descendants...oh and His children by promise...


Paul hurried to Jerusalem to do so...

The Spirit descended on believers obedient to the Pentecost festival...Peter was there

Besides though they weren't even able to go to the temple while in Babylon...it did not make them less Jewish or not of Israel or disobedient...

Mercy rather than sacrifice...
 
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beameup said:
Spring Feasts:
Passover = crucifixion
Unleavened Bread = burial
First Fruits = resurrection

1) Passover — Pointed to the Messiah as our Passover lamb whose blood would be shed for our sins. Jesus was crucified on the day of preparation for the Passover, at the same time that the lambs were being slaughtered for the Passover meal that evening. [sacrifice of the spotless lamb]

2) Unleavened Bread — Pointed to the Messiah’s sinless life, making Him the perfect sacrifice for our sins. Jesus’ body was in the grave during the first days of this feast. [leaven represents sin]

3) First Fruits — Pointed to the Messiah’s resurrection as the first fruits of the righteous. Jesus was resurrected on this very day.
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...except that the Passover was NOT a sin-offering.
 
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chair said:
...except that the Passover was NOT a sin-offering.
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Not all would agree:
Rabbi Abraham ibn Ezra links the Passover with atonement: “The mark of blood was designed as an atonement for those within the house who partook of the paschal offering, and was also a sign for the destroying angel to pass by the house” (Soncino Chumash, pg. 388).

As well, Passover was more "inclusive" in that it was initiated BEFORE Israel became a Nation (ie: not a "national" atonement).
The crucifixion took place "outside the gate" (out of city limits), where common criminals were executed and the trash taken.
 
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beameup said:
Not all would agree:
Rabbi Abraham ibn Ezra links the Passover with atonement: “The mark of blood was designed as an atonement for those within the house who partook of the paschal offering, and was also a sign for the destroying angel to pass by the house” (Soncino Chumash, pg. 388).

As well, Passover was more "inclusive" in that it was initiated BEFORE Israel became a Nation (ie: not a "national" atonement).
The crucifixion took place "outside the gate" (out of city limits), where common criminals were executed and the trash taken.
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Funny how you can quote a rabbi when you want to. Anyhow- his is one opinion, and he is referring to the blood on the doorpost- not the sacrifice itself. Also, the Passover sacrifice is very much a national event. It practically defined the nation of Israel.
 
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Funny how you can quote a rabbi when you want to. Anyhow- his is one opinion, and he is referring to the blood on the doorpost- not the sacrifice itself. Also, the Passover sacrifice is very much a national event. It practically defined the nation of Israel.
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They were not a "nation" until they passed through the Gulf of Aqaba (aka: Yam Suf "Red Sea"-east branch @ Nuweiba, Egypt).

In one house shall it be eaten; thou shalt not carry forth ought of the flesh abroad out of the house; neither shall ye break a bone thereof. Exo 12:46
They shall leave none of it unto the morning, nor break any bone of it: according to all the ordinances of the Passover they shall keep it. Num 9:12
He keepeth all his bones: not one of them is broken. Psa 34:20

God put a lot of prophetic symbolism in His feasts. :wave2:
 
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Funny how you can quote a rabbi when you want to. Anyhow- his is one opinion, and he is referring to the blood on the doorpost- not the sacrifice itself. Also, the Passover sacrifice is very much a national event. It practically defined the nation of Israel.
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Can't be a sin offering as the Law was unknown...

It was however about obedience and loyalty...anyone who obeyed and put the blood on the doorpost was passed over...would they be robbers or murderers or fornicators or liars etc they were forgiven for not knowing what they did...

It was also faith first...this God was going to kill, better do what He says...thus a thank offering a sacrament of Grace...defining them as those who believed first and then were saved

Oh what mercy...
 
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clefty said:
Can't be a sin offering as the Law was unknown...
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The sacrifice of an innocent animal for sin goes back to Job (or even Abel).
The first Passover was not a "national" event, but a "household" event.
Those who didn't participate (didn't have faith) paid the price.
 
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beameup said:
The sacrifice of an innocent animal for sin goes back to Job (or even Abel).
The first Passover was not a "national" event, but a "household" event.
Those who didn't participate (didn't have faith) paid the price.
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How do you know that Abel's sacrifice was for sin? There is no mention of sin in the verses.
I lost your reference to Job as well- when does he bring a sin offering?

Regarding the Nation of Israel- have you read Exodus 12?

...he Lord said to Moses and Aaron in Egypt, 2 “This month is to be for you the first month, the first month of your year. 3 Tell the whole community of Israel that on the tenth day of this month each man is to take a lamb[a] for his family, one for each household. ...

6 Take care of them until the fourteenth day of the month, when all the members of the community of Israel must slaughter them at twilight.

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Very hard to pretend this is some universalitic event.
 
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chair said:
How do you know that Abel's sacrifice was for sin? There is no mention of sin in the verses.
I lost your reference to Job as well- when does he bring a sin offering?
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I'll quote Leviticus for you:
For the life of the flesh is in the blood:
and I have given it to you upon the altar
to make an atonement for your souls:
for it is the blood that maketh an atonement
for the soul. - Leviticus 17:11
And the priest shall make an atonement for him
before the LORD: and it shall be forgiven him
for any thing of all that he hath done in
trespassing [sinning] therein. - Leviticus 6:7
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From Genesis:
Compare Abel's offering to Cain's offering. [Cain could have purchased a lamb from Abel]
Note that God slew innocent animals to provide covering for Adam & Eve.
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Job is considered to be the oldest book in the Tanakh:
When the days of feasting had completed their cycle,
Job would send and consecrate them [his sons],
rising up early in the morning and offering [sacrifices]
burnt offerings according to the number of them all;
for Job said, “Perhaps my sons have sinned
and cursed God in their hearts.” Thus Job did continually. - Job 1:5
Now therefore, take for yourselves seven bulls
and seven rams, and go to My servant Job,
and offer up a burnt offering for yourselves,
and My servant Job will pray for you - Job 42:8a
 
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chair said:
Regarding the Nation of Israel- have you read Exodus 12?
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Throughout Exodus, the overwhelming phrase is "the children of Israel".
There are a few references to the "elders of Israel" and "congregation of Israel".
In fact, the Hebrews in Egypt were the descendants [children] of Jacob/Israel.

Thus the LORD saved Israel that day out of the hand of the Egyptians; and Israel saw the Egyptians dead upon the sea shore. - Exodus 14:30 This is the first reference to "Israel" as an entity.
Then Israel would be encamped, arranged by the 12 tribes, in the wilderness for 40 years. But they are still referred to as "the children of Israel" (Jacob).
I really don't see a Nation until the promised land is conquered, divided up, and Jerusalem is the capitol.

“Who has heard such a thing? Who has seen such things?
Can a land be born in one day?
Can a NATION be brought forth all at once?
As soon as Zion travailed, she also brought forth her sons.
“Shall I bring to the point of birth and not give delivery?” says the LORD.
“Or shall I who gives delivery shut the womb?” says your God.
“Be joyful with Jerusalem and rejoice for her, all you who love her;
Be exceedingly glad with her, all you who mourn over her,
That you may nurse and be satisfied with her comforting breasts,
That you may suck and be delighted with her bountiful bosom.”
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Isaiah 66:8-11
 
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beameup said:
Spring Feasts:
Passover = crucifixion
Unleavened Bread = burial
First Fruits = resurrection

1) Passover — Pointed to the Messiah as our Passover lamb whose blood would be shed for our sins. Jesus was crucified on the day of preparation for the Passover, at the same time that the lambs were being slaughtered for the Passover meal that evening. [sacrifice of the spotless lamb]

2) Unleavened Bread — Pointed to the Messiah’s sinless life, making Him the perfect sacrifice for our sins. Jesus’ body was in the grave during the first days of this feast. [leaven represents sin]

3) First Fruits — Pointed to the Messiah’s resurrection as the first fruits of the righteous. Jesus was resurrected on this very day.
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Addressing the red part ....

Leaven was used at Pentecost.
 
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Except Abel is not in Leviticus. And not all sacrifices were for sins. But you would know that, being an expert on scriptures.
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It's separated into 3 sections: (1)Leviticus (2)Genesis [Cain/Abel Adam/Eve] (3)Job
This just establishes that sacrifices for sin (transgressions), of an innocent animal, goes way back.

That ye shall say, Thy servants' trade hath been about cattle from our youth even until now, both we, and also our fathers: that ye may dwell in the land of Goshen; for every shepherd is an abomination unto the Egyptians.
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- Gen 46:34 Shepherds and sheep were an abomination to Egyptians, the children of Israel dwelt In Goshen.
 
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