Christians worship Christ; JW's do not!

[JudgeRightly]

Same one and only God.

Unbelievable how you twist what God says. You try to add all kinds of things to God's Word that is not happening, just like you did with the scripture that plainly says God is invisible.

In 46:9 God says, "Remember the former things long past, For I am God, and there is no other; I am God, and there is no one like Me.

Yup. God (WHAT). NOT God "the Father" (WHO) OR God "the Son" (WHO) OR God "the Holy Spirit" (WHO). God (WHAT).

 

[God's Truth]

That would be your job.

You are the mocker.

You just finished saying that He was an invisible spirit.

Spirits are invisible, they do not have flesh and bone, but they can still be seen sometimes.

The Father is now a ghost?


:rotfl:

Acts 19:6 - And when Paul had laid [his] hands upon them, the Holy Ghost came on them; and they spake with tongues, and prophesied.

What is so funny mocker? Who do you think they received?

 

[God's Truth]

Yup. God (WHAT). NOT God "the Father" (WHO) OR God "the Son" (WHO) OR God "the Holy Spirit" (WHO). God (WHAT).

There is no such confusion in the Bible.

 

[God's Truth]

GT.... :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl:

What else you have besides mocking?

 

[God's Truth]

What Biblical prophet had the Word of God revealed to him in English?

So you keep kicking but still have no scripture?

Who's beating a dead horse?

You are exactly what you claim I am.

Funny how that works.

"For in the same way you judge others, you will be judged, and with the measure you use, it will be measured to you."

 

[JudgeRightly]

There is no such confusion in the Bible.

It says God. Not God the Father.

The one God is speaking. All three persons.

 

[God's Truth]

It says God. Not God the Father.

The one God is speaking. All three persons.

It says God is the Father.

The Son Jesus was still a mystery not yet revealed.

 

[JudgeRightly]

It say God is the Father.

The Son Jesus was still a mystery not yet revealed.

It says God "our" Father. Not God "the" Father.

That you reject that there is a difference only leads to one thing.

A rejection of Jesus Christ as God.

Because if, as you say, God the Father alone is God, and beside the WHO of God the Father there is no other, then neither Jesus the Son nor the Holy Spirit can be God, which contradicts scripture.

Yes, you say Jesus is the Father. But that also goes against Scripture.

You say that the HS is Jesus' Spirit, but that too goes against scripture.

The Holy Spirit is the Comforter whom Jesus sent.

Jesus is the Savior of the world whom the Father sent.

According to your logic, the Father is God, and there is no other. Because scripture CLEARLY distinguishes the Father from the Son from the Holy Spirit. Therefore, you must either say that only God the Father is God, and not the Son nor the Holy Spirit and reject Scripture, or you must accept Scripture, and reject that the Son and Holy Spirit are distinct Persons within the Godhead, a unity of three Persons, who are one God.

 

[Apple7]

Same one and only God.

Talking in BOTH the First-Person & Third-Person.

Thus, we have more than one Person in Yahweh.

Unbelievable how you twist what God says. You try to add all kinds of things to God's Word that is not happening, just like you did with the scripture that plainly says God is invisible.

Again...that is your job.

In 46:9 God says, "Remember the former things long past, For I am God, and there is no other; I am God, and there is no one like Me.

The first instance of 'God' in this passage is 'El'.

The second instance of God is 'Elohim' (plural).

Thus...your hand-picked passage confirms Uni-plural!


Thanks GT....

 

[God's Truth]

It says God "our" Father. Not God "the" Father.

You are arguing about words that don't matter.
Paul rebukes you.

That you reject that there is a difference only leads to one thing.

A rejection of Jesus Christ as God.

What you say doesn't make sense.
Jesus is God.
You say anything and don't care if it is truth or not.

Because if, as you say, God the Father alone is God, and beside the WHO of God the Father there is no other, then neither Jesus the Son nor the Holy Spirit can be God, which contradicts scripture.

Yes, you say Jesus is the Father. But that also goes against Scripture.

You say that the HS is Jesus' Spirit, but that too goes against scripture.

The Holy Spirit is the Comforter whom Jesus sent.

Jesus is the Savior of the world whom the Father sent.

You go against the Truth.

God the Father is Spirit and there is only His Spirit in the Divinity, for which Jesus is.
All men have there own spirit living inside them and Jesus' spirit in him as a man is the Spirit of God the Father come as a man's spirit.

According to your logic, the Father is God,

Right, and you don't believe that?

and there is no other.

Right, and is scripture.

Because scripture CLEARLY distinguishes the Father from the Son from the Holy Spirit.

There is only one Spirit, and it is the Spirit of the Father, and it is the Spirit of the Son.

Therefore, you must either say that only God the Father is God, and not the Son nor the Holy Spirit and reject Scripture,

You mean that is what you are saying by your doctrine.

or you must accept Scripture, and reject that the Son and Holy Spirit are distinct Persons within the Godhead, a unity of three Persons, who are one God.

There is no 'distinct' they are the same.

When Jesus says something---it is what the Father says.
When Jesus does something---it is what the Father does.
Think about it some more.
Can a person after so many years and so much conviction about himself admit error and have truth?
Yes. Don't be so stubborn. I wasn't and am glad for it.

 

[God's Truth]

Talking in BOTH the First-Person & Third-Person.

Thus, we have more than one Person in Yahweh.






Again...that is your job.





The first instance of 'God' in this passage is 'El'.

The second instance of God is 'Elohim' (plural).

Thus...your hand-picked passage confirms Uni-plural!


Thanks GT....

Listen to what you are saying. You are going against wisdom. You are going against the scriptures.

Tell me, do you have the Holy Spirit living inside of you?

If you do, who is it?

 

[TrevorL]

Greetings again Apple7,

This is where studying the original languages, and the grammar employed in the passages under study, really pays-off.
In Heb 1.1, ‘Ho Theos’ is in the nominative case, indicating that God is the subject of the passage.
We can be confident that this passage refers directly to God The Father,

This proves that there is only one God, God the Father. Yes, God is God the Father.

The two adverbs describing how God The Father spoke, ‘polymeros’, by many portions, and ‘polytropos’, in various forms, each occurring this one time only in scripture, and lexically defined as ‘One of the constituent parts of a whole; in a context where the whole and its parts are distinguished.’, clearly informs the reader that God spoke to the prophets in physical forms. These ‘forms’ are described in more detail in subsequent chapters in Hebrews.
Heb 6 declares one form (The Son) to be Malek Yahweh.
Heb 7 declares one form (The Holy Spirit) Melchizedek.

You exercise a vivid imagination in claiming that ‘polytropos’ refers to God the Son and God the Holy Spirit. It is talking about God's revelations through the prophets which were incomplete and partial. The revelation "in the last days" through the Son is complete and final.

Kind regards
Trevor

 

[Truster]

To worship in Spirit & Truth is to worship God The Father in the Person of God the Son and the Person of God The Spirit.

Only the unregenerate would think that. What you have is not trust. You have simply psyched up your mental attributes in a form of advanced superstition that is loosely based on scriptures. You just repeat things parrot fashion.

 

[popsthebuilder]

To worship in Spirit & Truth is to worship God The Father in the Person of God the Son and the Person of God The Spirit.

Lol

Scripture please.

How does one worship in the person of the son and the person of the Spirit?

That is absolutely illogical and nonsensical.

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[popsthebuilder]

Three Persons; 1 Being.

Three people would be three beings


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[popsthebuilder]

Yes.



Three distinct persons who is one God.



That's not what I said.

I said:

ONE GOD, THREE PERSONS.

One WHAT, Three WHOs.

That simply does not make sense

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[popsthebuilder]

No.

:mock:



The word "distinct" means "recognizably different in nature from something else of a similar type."

God the Father is distinct from God the Son is distinct from God the Holy Spirit.

Each Person is distinct from the other Persons of the Trinity. Yet the three Persons are one God.



You're trying to put words in my mouth.



Which has nothing to do with what I said.

I said:

One God, three Persons.

One WHAT, three WHOs.



God the Father.
God the Son.
God the Holy Spirit.

Three distinct Persons.
Three distinct WHOs.

One God.
One WHAT.



None of those verses specify who is speaking.



Please provide scripture that says that Jesus is speaking.

List the recognizable difference between GOD, GOD, AND GOD as you understand them please.

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[JudgeRightly]

Three people would be three beings

No, it would not.

That simply does not make sense

That's because your definition of "Person" is too narrow.

 

[popsthebuilder]

Then stay on topic.



Which again, has nothing to do with what I'm saying.



I'm saying that "God the Father" is ONE PERSON, one WHO, of the Trinity.

I'm saying that "God the Son" is ONE PERSON, one WHO, of the Trinity.

I'm saying that "God the Holy Spirit" is ONE PERSON, one WHO, of the Trinity.



:mock:



Please provide the scripture that says ONLY the Father spoke in the OT.



Please provide the scripture that says ONLY the Son spoke in the NT.



No, it's simply Jesus claiming to be God (aka WHAT, not WHO.

The WHO of "God the Son" is not the WHO of "God the Father."

"God the Son" (WHO) is God (WHAT).
"God the Father" (WHO) is God (WHAT).
"God the Holy Spirit" (WHO) is God (WHAT).

There is one WHAT (God), three WHOs (Father, Son, Holy Spirit).

"I'm saying that "God the Father" is ONE PERSON, one WHO, of the Trinity.

I'm saying that "God the Son" is ONE PERSON, one WHO, of the Trinity.

I'm saying that "God the Holy Spirit" is ONE PERSON, one WHO, of the Trinity."

So separately, none of the three are GOD almighty or the fullness of GOD?





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[popsthebuilder]

How many times are you going to repeat this. Here is your answer.

VVVVV

That didn't answer much.

So is each separately 100% GOD?

If so then together they would combine to be 300% GOD.

What about Jesus? Was He not 100% GOD as He walked the Earth? He was one with the Father and the Spirit dwelled in Him, but only one Body.

The traditional trinity doctrine cannot stand up to any level of scrutiny.

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