Apple7
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Then why refer to yourself as a Christian?
If you claim to worship Jehovah.....then call yourself a Jehovahian.
Christians worship Christ; JW's do not!
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Then why refer to yourself as a Christian?
If you claim to worship Jehovah.....then call yourself a Jehovahian.
Amen.
You are TRULY simpleminded.
Either way, the truth of the matter is, you're a member of a known Cult. You're NOT under any circumstances a member of the Body of Christ, therefore, you're not a Christian.
You're not a Christian, therefore, any answer you receive, you will reject. That's because you're not a true Christian believer. Actually, that makes all the sense in the world.
KR, your Cult, the 'JWs' as well as the Mormons and other known Cults, are not accepted by the Christian faith. Your Cult and the rest are considered, outside of the Christian community. You preach false doctrines, misinterpret Scripture, and are totally unable to discern Christian truth, as written in the Holy Bible. This is why, you and your ilk will never understand, nor accept anything coming from a true 'Child of God. (Member of the Body of Christ.)
No, members of the Body of Christ believe, God the Father was speaking to, God the Son and God the Holy Spirit. Our finite human minds cannot fully understand the Trinity, however, we are asked to, in faith, believe that the Trinity is made up of, God the Father, God the Son, and God the Holy Spirit, yet, these three are one.
As long as you and your ilk remain in the JW Cult, you will remain; unsaved, you will not inherit eternal life, you will not be forgiven your sins, you will someday stand before God and be judged by your sins, and you will subsequently, be cast into the Lake of Fire for eternity. This is your future if you continue to disregard and reject the Gospel of the Grace of God.
marhig
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You mean they can repent? Yes they can if they truly mean it, and turn from what they are doing when they realise it's wrong, but we are not to wilfully sin.
Matthew 7
Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.
Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?
And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.
And it's not the will of God to do and talk about sexually explicit thinhd, its sinful.
So Jesus says that it's those who live by the will of the father who will enter into the kingdom if heaven. And according to Paul those who do the works of the flesh, including lascivioisness which is sexual immorality, shall not inherit the kingdom of God, and Paul said this this is after Jesus was murdered on the cross! And Paul also said we will be judged on what we do good and bad.
Galatians 5
Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are these; Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness,
Idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies,
Envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told you in time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God.
2 Corinthians 5
For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ; that every one may receive the things done in his body, according to that he hath done, whether it be good or bad.
There's NO hope after you leave this world, (In death) if you reject the Gospel. There will be NO second chances. According to the Bible, the unsaved will be held in a place called Hades (Hell) which is a place of temporal torment. The unsaved will, at the appropriate time, stand before God and be judged according to their works and cast into eternal damnation in the Lake of Fire. This is the same destiny for Satan and his ilk.(The Lake of Fire, that is.) Revelation 20:12 "And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works."
Revelation 20:15 "And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire."
Revelation 20:10 "And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever."
Revelation 20:15 "And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire."
Revelation 20:10 "And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever."
marhig
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marhig
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So one minute you say there is no works, then you say that we will be judged according to our works?
And yes we will be judged according to our works. And to reject the gospel is to not to obey the gospel, and not live by the word of God that is preached by Jesus and his apostles including Paul.
All that are cast into the Lake of Fire will suffer throughout eternity. The only way to escape this horrendous situation is to hear the Gospel and place all of your faith in the Lord Jesus Christ and His death and resurrection.
Ephesians 2:8-9 "For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: Not of works, lest any man should boast."
Romans 10:9 "That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved."
Romans 10:8-9 But what saith it? The word is nigh thee, even in thy mouth, and in thy heart: that is, the word of faith, which we preach; That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved
In order to be saved from this awful place of eternal damnation, one must; confess they're a sinner and place all of their faith in Christ as their Savior. You must believe that Christ died for your sins and the sins of all mankind, (Past, present and future sins, alike) you must accept that He was buried and subsequently, raised from the dead. (Resurrected) Getting saved is not just mumbling a few words or walking down an aisle at a revival meeting, it's a work of the Holy Spirit, who makes you realize you're a sinner, makes you realize that you need a Savior (And, that Savior is Christ) then, you must make a 'free-choice decision' to place ALL of your faith in the living Christ who died for your sins.
Once you have made that decision, the Holy Spirit, seals and indwells the newly saved person. Henceforth, they cannot lose that salvation and eternal life that God gives to them. Once the Holy Spirit has finished His work, you are, forgiven of all your sins, you are now a member of the Body of Christ, and you are guaranteed to spend eternity in Heaven. You cannot lose what the Holy Spirit has done. Getting saved is a work of the Holy Spirit.
To make it simple, if right now, you earnestly accept that you're a lost sinner and you earnestly believe that Christ died for your sins on the cross and was raised from the dead, then, you may want to confess to God that you're a sinner and you believe that Christ died for your sins and was resurrected from the dead and you may want to ask God for forgiveness of all your sins (Past, present and future) and ask God to indwell and seal you with the Holy Spirit and tell Him you wish to become a member of the Body of Christ. Once you have done this and you truly place all your faith in Christ alone and not your good works, your church, your doctrinal beliefs, etc, after this, you can rest assured that you're a 'True Christian' who has been forgiven of his sins, and will inherit eternal life with God, in Heaven.
If you're not sure if you believe at this time, then, ask God to show you how to come to Him and be saved?
Ephesians 2:8-9 "For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: Not of works, lest any man should boast."
Romans 10:9 "That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved."
Romans 10:8-9 But what saith it? The word is nigh thee, even in thy mouth, and in thy heart: that is, the word of faith, which we preach; That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved
In order to be saved from this awful place of eternal damnation, one must; confess they're a sinner and place all of their faith in Christ as their Savior. You must believe that Christ died for your sins and the sins of all mankind, (Past, present and future sins, alike) you must accept that He was buried and subsequently, raised from the dead. (Resurrected) Getting saved is not just mumbling a few words or walking down an aisle at a revival meeting, it's a work of the Holy Spirit, who makes you realize you're a sinner, makes you realize that you need a Savior (And, that Savior is Christ) then, you must make a 'free-choice decision' to place ALL of your faith in the living Christ who died for your sins.
Once you have made that decision, the Holy Spirit, seals and indwells the newly saved person. Henceforth, they cannot lose that salvation and eternal life that God gives to them. Once the Holy Spirit has finished His work, you are, forgiven of all your sins, you are now a member of the Body of Christ, and you are guaranteed to spend eternity in Heaven. You cannot lose what the Holy Spirit has done. Getting saved is a work of the Holy Spirit.
To make it simple, if right now, you earnestly accept that you're a lost sinner and you earnestly believe that Christ died for your sins on the cross and was raised from the dead, then, you may want to confess to God that you're a sinner and you believe that Christ died for your sins and was resurrected from the dead and you may want to ask God for forgiveness of all your sins (Past, present and future) and ask God to indwell and seal you with the Holy Spirit and tell Him you wish to become a member of the Body of Christ. Once you have done this and you truly place all your faith in Christ alone and not your good works, your church, your doctrinal beliefs, etc, after this, you can rest assured that you're a 'True Christian' who has been forgiven of his sins, and will inherit eternal life with God, in Heaven.
If you're not sure if you believe at this time, then, ask God to show you how to come to Him and be saved?
The ones being judged in Revelation 20:12 are the unsaved throughout history. The unsaved will be judged by their works. However, their sins were NEVER payed for on the cross, therefore, they have to suffer for those sins in the Lake of Fire, for eternity. The saved people will be judged (Without punishment) for the rewards they will receive while in the flesh. There is no condemnation/punishment or Hell and Lake of Fire for those who are saved, through faith alone.
If you desire to prove what I'm saying is correct or to just learn about the Gospel for today, then, read the writings of the Apostle Paul in Romans through Philemon.
marhig
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Nowhere in the Bible does it say that we are saved from our future sins. That's not the truth, we are forgiven of our sins that we had done in ignorance when we repented, from then on we are judged on what we do good and bad just as Paul says.
Romans 3
Whom God hath set forth to be a propitiation through faith in his blood, to declare his righteousness for the remission of sins that are past, through the forbearance of God;
And as Paul says in Galatians 5, those who do the works of the flesh shall not inherit the kingdom of God.
And Paul also says this in Galatians 5
Galatians 5
This I say then, Walk in the Spirit, and ye shall not fulfil the lust of the flesh. For the flesh lusteth against the Spirit, and the Spirit against the flesh: and these are contrary the one to the other: so that ye cannot do the things that ye would.
So we shouldn't be able to do and say filthy things that are immoral and sinful, if we have the Holy Spirit within. And he should be helping us to stop doing these things. We don't just carry on doing them saying that God doesn't see our sins because Jesus died on the cross for us. That's terrible!
And I know the way to salvation, it's through Christ Jesus and believing in the gospel of God that he and his apostles preached. Through faith by the grace of God. He is the way, the truth and the life. And his way is the way to the father.
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marhig
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We will all be judged what we do good and bad, even your own apostle Paul tells you this!
marhig
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I read them often, and there's no way that Paul teaches that we can still wilfully sin and be saved. As seen in Romans 1 and Galatians 5!
musterion
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Do it. In fact, begin a new thread on it.
I say you can't take it apart, nor the other graphic.
But do try. Start a new thread just for that.
I declare before you and anyone else that those who are Children of God willfully sin everyday of our combined lives. One cannot awaken in the morning and lay one's head down on the pillow by night without willfully sinning. Sin is not the issue for a member of the Body of Christ. Sin was taken away from us, at the cross and once we placed our faith in Christ. God doesn't hold our sins against us, accept for the times (of His choosing) when He feels we need His discipline. Hebrews 12:6 "For whom the Lord loveth he chasteneth, and scourgeth every son whom he receiveth."