Can a person loose their salvation?

[Epoisses]

You are nuts. Not one for serious dialogue huh?

What the heck does suzie and Johnny have to do with anything? No one is discussing atheists and homosexuals here.

Sheep don't fall away!!!

Goats always fall away!!!

Not that hard to figure out there sister. If you are a true sheep of Christ you have nothing worry about but if not it's only a matter of time until you get offended.

 

[Jerry Shugart]

He will always have it unless he forfeits it by rejecting the source of life.

According to your ideas a person who has eternal life can perish even though the Lord Jesus say that they will not!

 

[glorydaz]

Those born anew will persevere to the end and their glorification.

OSAS (once-saved-always-saved) is common to Arminianism. It is sometimes associated with the attitude that now that one is saved one can go off sinning with abandon.

OSAS tends to lead to the view that there is nothing remaining for the believer in their walk of faith. Who denies that there are not a few of those that sign the pledge card or answer a Finneyistic altar call soon show themselves to be not of us for they went out of us? The reason is that the typical OSAS view, never carefully explained from the pulpit, ends up in error, such as in Keswickian Exchanged Life views that include rationales leading to licentiousness--doing whatever a person wants "now that I am saved and always will be". OSAS fosters the wrong mindset.

I would argue that what is "sometimes associated" with a certain attitude doesn't mean it's fact. If it "fosters the wrong mindset", that is true of many beliefs. Can't blame that on OSAS.

 

[glorydaz]

Sheep don't fall away!!!

Goats always fall away!!!

Not that hard to figure out there sister. If you are a true sheep of Christ you have nothing worry about but if not it's only a matter of time until you get offended.

Are we sheep, or are we "new creatures"?

2 Corinthians 5:17
Therefore if any man be in Christ, he is a new creature: old things are passed away; behold, all things are become new.​

 

[steko]

He will always have it unless he forfeits it by rejecting the source of life.

Those not written the Lamb's book of life will not survive.

According to your ideas a person who has eternal life can perish even though the Lord Jesus say that they will not!

If the life that one has in Christ is eternal, it will never end.

If the life that one thinks they have in Christ ever ends, it was not eternal.

'Eternal' means 'without end'.

 

[steko]

Are we sheep, or are we "new creatures"?

2 Corinthians 5:17
Therefore if any man be in Christ, he is a new creature: old things are passed away; behold, all things are become new.​

Right, in the sheep and goat analogy, Christ is referring to those of the nations during the tribulation according to how they treat Christ's believing Jewish brethren. This judgement takes place at Christ's second coming when He sits on His glorious throne, the promised throne of David. Mt 25:31-32 Joel 3:1-2

 

[God's Truth]

Jesus warns us for a reason.

 

[God's Truth]

When a person believes they receive the gift of eternal life. And once in possesion of that life he will always have it.

Do you know that PAUL warns us that we can be cut off?

 

[God's Truth]

Are we sheep, or are we "new creatures"?

2 Corinthians 5:17
Therefore if any man be in Christ, he is a new creature: old things are passed away; behold, all things are become new.​

Only SHEEP can become new creatures.

You have to become a sheep first.

Let me explain to you how to become a sheep.

 

[glorydaz]

Only SHEEP can become new creatures.

You have to become a sheep first.

Let me explain to you how to become a sheep.

Let me explain to you how to get saved.

 

[glorydaz]

Do you know that PAUL warns us that we can be but off?

How about you "but off".

You're really losing your mind, GT. Seriously. :nono:

 

[glorydaz]

Jesus warns us for a reason.

He warned YOU and people like you....those who trusted in their own efforts.

 

[jamie]

According to your ideas a person who has eternal life can perish even though the Lord Jesus say that they will not!

God will not rescind eternal life, but it is not inherent until the resurrection. At this time our eternal life is held by the Son.

He who has the Son has life, he who doesn't, doesn't.

No adversaries allowed in the world to come. Satan will change or die, his choice.

 

[musterion]

Waiting for a NT example of someone who was a member of Christ who was cut off (that's what it would amount to) and was condemned to the Lake.

 

[jamie]

If the life that one has in Christ is eternal, it will never end.

If the life that one thinks they have in Christ ever ends, it was not eternal.

'Eternal' means 'without end'.

Eternal life is not inherent until the resurrection.

He who has the Son has life, no Son equals no life.

Eternal life is a gift of the holy Spirit.

No Spirit equals no Son.

 

[musterion]

Eternal life is not inherent until the resurrection.

1 Peter 1:23

 

[jamie]

Waiting for a NT example of someone who was a member of Christ who was cut off (that's what it would amount to) and was condemned to the Lake.

The second resurrection has not yet occurred, be patient.

 

[musterion]

Eternal life is not inherent until the resurrection.

1 Cor 3:23

 

[God's Truth]

How about you "but off".

You're really losing your mind, GT. Seriously. :nono:

...because I used a 'b' instead of a 'c' you say such evil to me.

You have no mind and you have no heart.

You are a perfect example of needing to be made a new creature.

You need to go from goat to lamb.

 

[Ask Mr. Religion]

I would argue that what is "sometimes associated" with a certain attitude doesn't mean it's fact. If it "fosters the wrong mindset", that is true of many beliefs. Can't blame that on OSAS.

I agree.

AMR