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some Christians do not believe in taking the Bible absolutely literally in EVERYTHING it says

the notion of Bible-only is ridiculous.. if 4 no other reason than this: Not all truth (reality, e tc)can be contained in a mere book...

in other words GOD cannot be contained by a book

He is not finite

as books are


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You poor soul. The Bible IS The Word Of God, The Living Word.
All the truths we need are in The Bible.
 

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It's far far simpler than that. God sends His Jesus to redeem us. Jesus says don't call your spiritual leaders father. Therefore, I don't call spiritual leaders father. Jesus speaks, I obey. Simple.
You "obey" without first accurately comprehending what Jesus actually meant by his statement in Mt. 23:9, as is plainly outlined here.
 
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So is oral apostolic Tradition.


Chapter-and-verse, please. Where exactly does the Bible itself state that "All the truths we need are in The Bible"? :think:



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What the apostles taught orally, does not contradict what they wrote down on paper.

However, the traditions of the Catholic church contradict what God says in the Holy Bible.
 

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What the apostles taught orally, does not contradict what they wrote down on paper.
No one has suggested otherwise. However, not everything taught orally has been explicitly stated in writing.

However, the traditions of the Catholic church contradict what God says in the Holy Bible.
Rather, they may contradict your preferred interpretations of the Bible. Big difference there.



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No one has suggested otherwise. However, not everything taught orally has been explicitly stated in writing.


Rather, they may contradict your preferred interpretations of the bible. Big diference there.



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Are you claiming ONLY the interpretations of the Cat's are the correct ones?

How about your WEEKLY suns-day worship, can you quote that from the Bible?

Or the annual celebration of the birth of Christ, where is that found in the Scriptures? Dec.25 was actually an adoption of the pagan celebration of the annual re-birth of the sun-god.

Your religion is so infested with adopted pagan traditions that it is hard to even find anything of the Scriptures in it.
 

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Are you claiming ONLY the interpretations of the Cat's are the correct ones?
No, sometimes Catholics misinterpret the Bible, too. Rather, only Christ's one historic Church provides the authentic, binding, and authoritative interpretation of Scripture. So, then, how do we---Catholics and Protestants---know whether or not our personal interpretation is correct and binding? Only by comparing it with the authoritative teachings of Christ's one historic Church. Thus has it always been.

How about your WEEKLY suns-day worship, can you quote that from the Bible?
Quite a bit.

Or the annual celebration of the birth of Christ, where is that found in the Scriptures?
  • First, go ahead and cite the biblical text which states that "Only terms and ideas used explicitly in the Bible may be used by Christians to describe their beliefs."
  • Second, the Nativity of Jesus Christ is certainly described in the New Testament---do you really need me to provide you with chapter-and-verse on that fact?

Dec.25 was actually an adoption of the pagan celebration of the annual re-birth of the sun-god.
Not an "adoption," but an adaptation. Big difference there.

Your religion is so infested with adopted pagan traditions that it is hard to even find anything of the Scriptures in it.
  • First, Google "Genetic Fallacy," since that is the particular logical fallacy you're engaged in here.
  • Second, for example, see this.



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You "obey" without first accurately comprehending what Jesus actually meant by his statement in Mt. 23:9, as is plainly outlined here.

Jesus meant not to call any man in a position of authority over you in The Body of Christ father.

Your link is an attempt to justify that which God has no to. Your magisterium is nothing more than modern day Pharisees. And they are doing as good a good as the Pharisees Jesus scolded. In other words, your link is nothing but deceitful.
 

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Jesus meant not to call any man in a position of authority over you in The Body of Christ father.
...only according to the entirely non-authoritative opinions of your preferred recently-invented, man-made non-Catholic sect, which we've already established possesses no binding doctrinal authority whatsoever.


Back to Post #242.



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...only according to the entirely non-authoritative opinions of your preferred recently-invented, man-made non-Catholic sect, which we've already established possesses no binding doctrinal authority whatsoever.



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According to Jesus. According to God incarnate.
 

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No one has suggested otherwise. However, not everything taught orally has been explicitly stated in writing.


Rather, they may contradict your preferred interpretations of the Bible. Big difference there.



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The Catholics add things to the Bible and call it Tradition. Those added things nullify God's word.
 

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No, sometimes Catholics misinterpret the Bible, too. Rather, only Christ's one historic Church provides the authentic, binding, and authoritative interpretation of Scripture. So, then, how do we---Catholics and Protestants---know whether or not our personal interpretation is correct and binding? Only by comparing it with the authoritative teachings of Christ's one historic Church. Thus has it always been.


Quite a bit.


  • First, go ahead and cite the biblical text which states that "Only terms and ideas used explicitly in the Bible may be used by Christians to describe their beliefs."
  • Second, the Nativity of Jesus Christ is certainly described in the New Testament---do you really need me to provide you with chapter-and-verse on that fact?


Not an "adoption," but an adaptation. Big difference there.


  • First, Google "Genetic Fallacy," since that is the particular logical fallacy you're engaged in here.
  • Second, for example, see this.



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You are indeed a slick one at twisting around the Scriptures with human reasoning to fit your man made religion.

All the verses you quoted about the first day of the week being the new day for Christians and then adding what the Bible does not say does not change the fact that the "weekly" Seventh Day was never Scripturally set aside for your "weekly" Suns Day. I speak of a Scriptural WEEKLY (week after week after week) Sabbath - Lk.4:16, Acts 15:21 and 17:2 - weekly.

Take for instance ,you misuse of Rev.1:10, where in the Scriptures is it said that it was Sunday? That it was on a Sunday was first claimed by a Cat. centuries ago and has nothing to do with the Scriptures whatsoever. The Day of the Lord, the Lord's Day, the beginning of the great tribulation (which is what John was describing in the Book of Revelation) is not known but only by the Father.

Of course the Lord's birth is recorded, that is not what I ask. Where is the annual celebration of it recorded in the Bible? Did Christ celebrate it, did the Apostles celebrate it, or is it just another man made Catholic tradition filled with many heathen traditions such as santa, an evergreen tree, etc.

The annual Dec.25 celebration can only be found as a celebration of the rebirth of the pagan sun god Baal when the days of sunshine begin to lengthen.

Your man made religion is far more dedicated to the traditions of and to the pagan sun-god than the SON of GOD!
 

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You are indeed a slick one at twisting around the Scriptures with human reasoning to fit your man made religion.
You can go ahead and just apply all that to yourself.

...the "weekly" Seventh Day was never Scripturally set aside for your "weekly" Suns Day.
The entirely non-authoritative opinions of your chosen recently-invented, man-made non-Catholic sect are noted. :yawn:



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You can go ahead and just apply all that to yourself.


The entirely non-authoritative opinions of your chosen recently-invented, man-made non-Catholic sect are noted. :yawn:



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WRONG! It is your non-Scriptural opinions and traditions of your chosen Christo-pagan Roman Catholic Sol Invictus Cult.

"The Roman Empire began their official recognition of sun worship during the time Aurelian when he instituted the cult of "Sol Invictus". There is virtually no difference between the cult of So Invictus and that of Mithraism or for that matter Catholicism."

www.sabbathcovenant.com/doctrine/cult_of_sol_invictus.htm
 

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Thus merely proving my statement in Post #256 above. :yawn:

So you agree that your Catholic religion is nothing but a Christo-pagan Sol Invictus cult that changed the Lord's weekly seventh day to the sun-god's weekly suns day tradition.

Isn't a little honesty and admitting of the truth refreshing for a change. Kudos!
 
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