PastorKevin said:
No you are denying the very words themselves. Big difference.
Show one place in the Greek or the Hebrew where the Hebrew "olam" is said to be endless when talking about judgments...or the Greek aion is said to be endless in regard to the wicked. Kevin.
You can't...and when I point that out, you say I'm denying the words?
Classic.
How about Daniel 12:2? Can you believe that one?
The word translated "everlasting" there is OLAM. It is the Hebrew equivilent of the Greek work aion. Olam would need a qualifier that would make it an "endless" amount of "time"...to make it an endless situation.
There is no qualifier making it an "endless" olam. It is an olam...that is what the Word of God says.
It is not denying the Word of God to point out a word means what it means and there is no other word that makes this olam "endless" in the Hebrew text.
I am so through with the "aion" argument with you. We have been over it 500 times and will not bring anything new to the table at this point. You say the Bible in the Hebrew and Greek never makes aion endless when it speaks of hell. Multitudes of Greek scholars disagree with you. Prove to me why your translation is better than theirs. You still haven't.
Show me where the olam or the aion has another word that means endless qualifying it as endless when related to punishments or judgments in the Hebrew and the Greek and I'll drop it. A word that means age cannot mean eternal unless it says it is endless. It doesn't.
Prove to me why your translation is true to the original language. You still haven't.
The MAJORITY of greek speaking christians never came to the conclusion that chastisment was endless for the first 5 or 6 centuries of the church. Why? How can THAT happen if the scholars you are depending on are right about the words involved?
Oh and Daniel 12:2 doesn't contain the word aion in it. Something I have given you tons of opportunites to respond to and you still have not.
Olam is the same kind of word as aion...it's just Hebrew and not Greek. It is the Old Testament word for "age"...and UNDETERMINED time.
Is repeating my arguments and inserting your own really beneficial to your point? Can you not refute what is said with your own logic? Maybe you need to paste some more tentmaker stuff to let the false teachers respond for you?
I was demonstrating how ineffective YOUR argument is. All it did was re-state what YOU think of Universal Salvation. I could make the very same arguments on my end. You can see how effective it actually is.
I agree with the Tentmaker "stuff". Maybe you should show where it is false first.
This is non-responsive and is simply repeating what I said and inserting your own terms. Grow up Stephen!
See above.
And you grow up...
you believe in eternal damnation...what would you like to be called?
Already answered in my post: I am a Biblicist. I believe the Bible. Period. Next.
We are both Biblicists, Kevin, yet you label me and don't want to be labeled yourself. Next.
Everyone has to be "saved"? Why do you put "hell" and "saved" in quotes.
Because I don't agree with your interpretation of the Word of God concerning "hell"...and "save' is what you fail to see in EVERYONE being "saved".
Sure you do, you just attempt to come over to the middle a little bit to make your arguments appear more Biblical than the Unitarians.
Ther is a huge difference between what I'm saying and what "unitarians" say. I had to look up "universalist" to see what they believe. I believe in the 100% success of the Gospel in saving all mankind. Maybe THIS is why you have so much trouble understanding my arguments...you are reading into them a completely different theologic veiw than mine.
What you say is mostly regurgitated Unitarianism with a Christian label.
Apparently, you have no comprehension skills.
No we are not Stephen. I have made my arguments and positions based upon what the Bible says, not based upon what some shmuck at Tentmaker has to say. People like Preston Eby have deceived many into believing false teaching.
Actually...it is based on some schmuck like those at CARM or the myriad other sites that say the same thing you say.
You believe what you do because it is what you have been taught. I have repeatedly shown where what people like you say does not line up well with the scriptures themselves...then you want to say it's all garbage, even when I make a very Biblical argument.
You have a logical construct...so do I. We both make Biblical arguments in support of our view...and also say the opposing view is a false teaching. How are our arguments not similar in our approach?
