Ben Carson admits fabricating West Point scholarship

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I fail to believe that anyone would consider voting for Carson, Trump or Cruz. If one of these people get into office everyone with be on their knees begging for Obama to comeback into office.
 

aCultureWarrior

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Now this is...strange.

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Ben Carson's Home Is an Eerie Homage to Ben Carson
http://news.yahoo.com/ben-carsons-home-eerie-homage-195358324.html
 

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FOX “News” is now reporting items like

"Carson's life story has been a central point of his appeal and the West Point story has been part of that appeal. If the other campaigns and the media can go after Carson on trust, his campaign is finished. His support levels are very high, but his support is also very, very soft.People are supporting Carson because they are not enamored with the rest of the field, but they are not wedded to him.

"As CNN goes after the knifing story and now the Carson campaign is admitting this fabrication, we're about to see a novice politician with a less than highly skilled campaign begin to head into a storm the candidate himself created."
 

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[Ben Carson admits fabricating West Point scholarship by Kyle Cheney] "Ben Carson’s campaign on Friday admitted, in a response to an inquiry from Politico, that a central point in his inspirational personal story was fabricated: his application and acceptance into the U.S. Military Academy at West Point.

The academy has occupied a central place in Carson’s tale for years. According to a story told in Carson’s book, “Gifted Hands,” the then-17 year old was introduced in 1969 to Gen. William Westmoreland, who had just ended his command of U.S. forces in Vietnam, and the two dined together. That meeting, according to Carson’s telling, was followed by a “full scholarship” to the military academy.

West Point, however, has no record of Carson applying, much less being extended admission..." Full text: Ben Carson admits fabricating West Point scholarship Ex 20:16

The politico fable was just that.

A well woven fabrication
 

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Unfortunately, you are spot on.

I am always accountable for my own bigotry and hypocrisy.

Jesus teaches me to be aware of the logs and timbers in my own eyes before I deem to point out the tiny speck of sawdust in my neighbor’s.

You and Ben Carson have some things in common: You both defend a sexual perversion that God abhors.

That being said: I suppose if Carson were more like Obama (i.e. he had a job handing out food stamps as a "community organizer" in Chi-town), you'd be slobbering all over yourself at the thought of him being POTUS.
 

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Unfortunately, you are spot on.

I am always accountable for my own bigotry and hypocrisy.

Jesus teaches me to be aware of the logs and timbers in my own eyes before I deem to point out the tiny speck of sawdust in my neighbor’s.

Good for you.
 

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I fail to believe that anyone would consider voting for Carson, Trump or Cruz. If one of these people get into office everyone with be on their knees begging for Obama to comeback into office.

:rotfl: That is some funny stuff right there....
 

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Carson, like all the candidates as far as I can see, will say whatever he thinks will get him most votes. How can I judge his other opinions when I think he lies through his teeth?


Who gives a rip what you think about anything going on in our nation, you are a foreigner and your opinion doesn't mean spit, you have already surrendered your freedom for socialism. Don't you have an anarchy protest to attend in London with the rest of the malcontent liberals?
 

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That was my answer. To make myself even more clear: I won't vote for a candidate that openly promotes sexual perversion/immorality.

Well given that the president does not have the power to make law, nor has any candidate running said that they will not uphold the law you are in a pickle because, that means none of them intend to outlaw homosexuality. A person does not have to agree with the behavior to accept that they have a legal right to behave that way aCW,and so it is with homosexuality, abortion, and other abhorrent behaviors. The president is the leader of all the people not just the ones you agree with so, you go ahead and stand on principle and attempt to set up your theocracy, I will vote for the man that with uphold the constitution & laws of the land, and if that is Ben Carson I will give him my vote. I don't have to agree with the man on every point to understand he is a better choice for this ailing nation than the felon Hillary.

On that note: I truly believe that Ted Cruz will win the Republican nomination. He'll make a great President and with the help of Congress, get this country back on track, both socially and economically.

Wishful thinking at best, I would love to see it also but, I don't agree that Cruz has the thrust to grasp the nomination. I too would vote for Cruz but, do you really think he is going to attempt to outlaw homosexuality? and do you believe that Cruz would deny any american their rights as long as they are the law of the land? In this regard I don't see Cruz being any different than Carson both will faithfully execute the laws of the land and follow the constitution.
 

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That was my answer. To make myself even more clear: I won't vote for a candidate that openly promotes sexual perversion/immorality.

Well given that the president does have the power to make law, nor has any candidate running said that they will not uphold the law you are in a pickle because, that means none of them intend to outlaw homosexuality.

SCOTUS rulings (Roe v Wade, Lawrence v Texas, Obergefell v Hodges) can be overturned. Being that Ben Carson has promoted homosexuality, I don't see him being aggressive in overturning rulings made by activist Judges.

A person does not have to agree with the behavior to accept that they have a legal right to behave that way aCW,and so it is with homosexuality, abortion, and other abhorrent behaviors.

These "legal rights" that you speak of were made by activist Judges. Refer to my above comments.

The president is the leader of all the people not just the ones you agree with so,

Homosexuality is a behavior, (a changeable one at that), a behavior that 1-2% of the population engages in.

you go ahead and stand on principle and attempt to set up your theocracy,

I wasn't aware that in order to legislate righteous laws that a nation first had to be a "theocracy" (i.e. to designate a "state religion").

I will vote for the man that with uphold the constitution & laws of the land, and if that is Ben Carson I will give him my vote. I don't have to agree with the man on every point to understand he is a better choice for this ailing nation than the felon Hillary.

If Carson can't get something as simple as human sexuality right, what makes you think that he won't change his mind (i.e. morals) on other issues?


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On that note: I truly believe that Ted Cruz will win the Republican nomination. He'll make a great President and with the help of Congress, get this country back on track, both socially and economically.

Wishful thinking at best, I would love to see it also but, I don't agree that Cruz has the thrust to grasp the nomination. I too would vote for Cruz but, do you really think he is going to attempt to outlaw homosexuality?

Amongst other things Ted Cruz has said that he would return things like homosexual legislation back to the States (around 19 of them still have laws against homosexuality on the books) and has been a strong proponent of religious freedom (meaning activist Judges won't have a free hand to persecute Christians as they're doing under Obama).

...and do you believe that Cruz would deny any american their rights as long as they are the law of the land? In this regard I don't see Cruz being any different than Carson both will faithfully execute the laws of the land and follow the constitution.

Obviously you haven't been following Senator Cruz. Might I suggest that you follow him on Facebook and other mediums that will keep you informed of what he intends on doing as President?
 

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SCOTUS rulings (Roe v Wade, Lawrence v Texas, Obergefell v Hodges) can be overturned. Being that Ben Carson has promoted homosexuality, I don't see him being aggressive in overturning rulings made by activist Judges.

Activist judges have sat on that court from the beginning of this nation with plenty of bad decisions to their account but, without the hearts & minds of all Americans changing it is doubtful that these will be overturned anytime soon. That is just being realistic about the world we live in.

These "legal rights" that you speak of were made by activist Judges. Refer to my above comments.

Be that as it may they are currently the law of the land are they not? Would you suggest that Cruz or any other conservative rule through fiat like the current occupant? If they don't like it, don't enforce it?

Homosexuality is a behavior, a changeable one at that.

What does that have to do with the legality of this behavior?

I wasn't aware that in order to legislate righteous laws that a nation first had to be a "theocracy" (i.e. to designate a "state religion").

Presidents don't legislate anything aCW, they enforce the laws that are legislated, a theocracy has no place in this nation under this constitution.

If Carson can't get something as simple as human sexuality right, what makes you think that he won't change his mind (i.e. morals) on other issues?

I don't believe from what I have read, including the articles you posted earlier that Carson is giving the stamp of approval. I do however see that he recognizes the right of the homosexual to exercise a choice to behave that way, and given that the constitution is silent on the matter which makes it a state issue to be allowed or denied at that level. The president is allowed to have a personal opinion while also accepting the law and opinions of others...you, I, nor he has to agree with the law.


Amongst other things Ted Cruz has said that he would return things like homosexual legislation back to the States (around 19 of them still have laws against homosexuality on the books) and has been a strong proponent of religious freedom (meaning activist Judges won't have a free hand to persecute Christians as they're doing under Obama).

Every candidate says they will do a lot of things and Carson said he supported the same thing in the article you posted earlier, he said he believed that it was an issue to be decided by the states but, there is that whole SCOTUS issue that has to be dealt with for him as well. I like both candidates and would pull the lever for either.

Obviously you haven't been following Senator Cruz. Might I suggest that you follow him on Facebook and other mediums that will keep you informed of what he intends on doing as President?

I do follow him on Facebook, I also am realistic about what the man can & cannot do in the very remote chance he does get the nomination much less the presidency. It is a long way to the nomination and I would expect the left, the RINO's, & the media to be working in concert against any candidate that is not the party anointed...
 

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SCOTUS rulings (Roe v Wade, Lawrence v Texas, Obergefell v Hodges) can be overturned. Being that Ben Carson has promoted homosexuality, I don't see him being aggressive in overturning rulings made by activist Judges.

Activist judges have sat on that court from the beginning of this nation with plenty of bad decisions to their account

Can you think of any that were worse than the one allowing the murder of 58 million unborn babies in a 43 year period and the one that redefined a 2,000 year old institution (marriage) which is the nucleus of all societies?

...but, without the hearts & minds of all Americans changing it is doubtful that these will be overturned anytime soon. That is just being realistic about the world we live in.

Your negative attitude is duly noted (and nothing new based on our past conversations).


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These "legal rights" that you speak of were made by activist Judges. Refer to my above comments.

Be that as it may they are currently the law of the land are they not?

No, Supreme Court decisions are not the law of the land, this is how uninformed Americans have become. SCOTUS rulings were meant to deal with individual cases, not set a precedent for laws.

Would you suggest that Cruz or any other conservative rule through fiat like the current occupant? If they don't like it, don't enforce it?

Unlike the current tyrant in office, Ted Cruz knows the Constitution and would rule accordingly. Again, SCOTUS rulings were not meant to be legislation.


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Homosexuality is a behavior, a changeable one at that.

What does that have to do with the legality of this behavior?

You had stated above "The president is the leader of all the people not just the ones you agree with..."; I'm just pointing out that there is no such thing as homosexual people, they are people that are engaging in an immoral and extremely destructive behavior.

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I wasn't aware that in order to legislate righteous laws that a nation first had to be a "theocracy" (i.e. to designate a "state religion").

Presidents don't legislate anything aCW, they enforce the laws that are legislated, a theocracy has no place in this nation under this constitution.

I agree, and if any politician wants to make a 'state religion' (i.e. The Church of America), I'd be against it. But we're talking about righteous/moral laws being legislated, not forcing religious doctrine on anyone.


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If Carson can't get something as simple as human sexuality right, what makes you think that he won't change his mind (i.e. morals) on other issues?

I don't believe from what I have read, including the articles you posted earlier that Carson is giving the stamp of approval.

Sitting on two large corporate boards that gave it's sexually confused employees the same benefits as married people certainly is a "stamp of approval".

I do however see that he recognizes the right of the homosexual to exercise a choice to behave that way, and given that the constitution is silent on the matter which makes it a state issue to be allowed or denied at that level.

The writers of the Constitution couldn't even fathom a country that would allow something that God and they abhorred. Refer to the table of context in Part 4 of my WHMBR! thread to see what the founders said about homosexuality (so much for it being a "right").

The president is allowed to have a personal opinion while also accepting the law and opinions of others...you, I, nor he has to agree with the law.

Again, rulings by activist Supreme Court Judges are not the law of the land.


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Amongst other things Ted Cruz has said that he would return things like homosexual legislation back to the States (around 19 of them still have laws against homosexuality on the books) and has been a strong proponent of religious freedom (meaning activist Judges won't have a free hand to persecute Christians as they're doing under Obama).

Every candidate says they will do a lot of things

Cruz has a history of doing what he says he'll do.

...and Carson said he supported the same thing in the article you posted earlier, he said he believed that it was an issue to be decided by the states but, there is that whole SCOTUS issue that has to be dealt with for him as well...

It's back to his promotion of homosexuality as a board member for two corporations and his belief that those who engage in homosexuality should be able to have "civil unions" (Carson won't do anything to stop the homosexual agenda or protect religious freedom if elected POTUS).

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Obviously you haven't been following Senator Cruz. Might I suggest that you follow him on Facebook and other mediums that will keep you informed of what he intends on doing as President?

I do follow him on Facebook, I also am realistic about what the man can & cannot do in the very remote chance he does get the nomination much less the presidency. It is a long way to the nomination and I would expect the left, the RINO's, & the media to be working in concert against any candidate that is not the party anointed...

Once again: You negativity is duly noted.
 

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You and Ben Carson have some things in common: You both defend a sexual perversion that God abhors.
Whether God abhors anything or not, it always has to come down to an interpretation of God and not any free-form perfect knowledge of us finite humans.

That being said: I suppose if Carson were more like Obama (i.e. he had a job handing out food stamps as a "community organizer" in Chi-town), you'd be slobbering all over yourself at the thought of him being POTUS.
Wrong again. Please just be an adult and ask me direct questions of my thinking and beliefs. Never assume.

I am curious as to why you forced the dialogue away from racism and onto a different topic entirely.

Community organizers do not “hand out food stamps.” They are not allowed to. That is the government’s purview.

What they can do is to help community members access the safety nets available to them from their taxes.
 

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Shame on you, despicable shame. Hillary is of her father the devil and hates God with all heart, mind and soul.
Another example of one-dimensional marginalization and condemnation of another human being.

We should have learned a lesson from the history of Germany in the late 20s, 30s and early 40s.
 

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Who gives a rip what you think about anything going on in our nation, you are a foreigner and your opinion doesn't mean spit, you have already surrendered your freedom for socialism. Don't you have an anarchy protest to attend in London with the rest of the malcontent liberals?

And what of the “malcontent conservatives” of the Tea Party and the House’s “Freedom Caucus”?

Americans have a strong stripe of anti-corporatism in our DNA. In 1773, the American colonists successfully pulled off a nonviolent demonstration against the East India Tea Company, which was the closest thing to a global corporation in its day.

Occupy WallStreet and the conservatives are making common cause today, if you haven’t noticed:

http://www.amazon.com/Unstoppable-E...42484&sr=1-1&keywords=ralph+nader+unstoppable
 

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Wrong again. Please just be an adult and ask me direct questions of my thinking and beliefs. Never assume.

If there's one thing I cannot abide it's a nitwit who continually insists other people act like an adult. That is the tactic of an eighteen year old who suddenly finds himself of age. :carryon:
 
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