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brandplucked

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Good answer to a simple question

Good answer to a simple question

Originally Posted by GodsfreeWill View Post
Good question. While I'm thinking about how to answer, why do you assume that the KJB is correct and the rest are wrong?



It exalts, upholds and glorifies:
the word
the Word
the trinity
the blood
the faith of Jesus Christ
our gospel
our pattern
sound doctrine

whereas the (per)versions undermine by changing, omitting and/or hiding many if not all of those things.
Itself (1 Corinthians 2:13 KJV) . If we can't take God at His word believing every word whether or not we understand the words at that very moment, we have no reason to have faith in any of it, let alone the whole armour of God! It's the only offensive weapon in the spiritual battle that is raging (2 Corinthians 10:4 KJV, Ephesians 6:10-20 KJV).

Now, how about that answer?


All the inferior "bibles" continue to degrade our Lord Jesus Christ in many ways. I have lots and lots of concrete examples.


Many Modern Versions Degrade the Person of the Lord Jesus Christ
Matthew 27:24; Matthew 28:6; Luke 23:42; John 7:8-10; Matthew 5:22; Mark 9:24; Philippians 2:6-8; 1 Corinthians 10:9, 1 Corinthians 15:47; Micah 5:2; 1 Timothy 3:16 and "Worship" or "Kneel before"? Romans 14:10-12

http://brandplucked.webs.com/mat2724justdegrade.htm
 

ccfromsc

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Errors in KJV

Errors in KJV

What of some of the errors in the KJV?

(Isa 34:14) The wild beasts of the desert shall also meet with the wild beasts of the island, and the satyr shall cry to his fellow; the screech owl also shall rest there, and find for herself a place of rest.

A satyr? Really a Greek mythological creature?

Job_41:1 Canst thou draw out leviathan with an hook? or his tongue with a cord which thou lettest down?
Psa_74:14 Thou brakest the heads of leviathan in pieces, and gavest him to be meat to the people inhabiting the wilderness.
Psa_104:26 There go the ships: there is that leviathan, whom thou hast made to play therein.
Isa_27:1 In that day the LORD with his sore and great and strong sword shall punish leviathan the piercing serpent, even leviathan that crooked serpent; and he shall slay the dragon that is in the sea.

Leviathan? Really? a dragon?
 

Sherman

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Referring to Jesus Christ as "he" is degrading. The angel in Matthew 1:21 KJV obviously didn't get the message.
You are talking about the use of the lower case--correct? usually when I discuss any part of the Godhead I use 'He' with a capital 'H'.
 

brandplucked

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Satyrs and Leviathan -

Satyrs and Leviathan -

What of some of the errors in the KJV?

(Isa 34:14) The wild beasts of the desert shall also meet with the wild beasts of the island, and the satyr shall cry to his fellow; the screech owl also shall rest there, and find for herself a place of rest.

A satyr? Really a Greek mythological creature?

Job_41:1 Canst thou draw out leviathan with an hook? or his tongue with a cord which thou lettest down?
Psa_74:14 Thou brakest the heads of leviathan in pieces, and gavest him to be meat to the people inhabiting the wilderness.
Psa_104:26 There go the ships: there is that leviathan, whom thou hast made to play therein.
Isa_27:1 In that day the LORD with his sore and great and strong sword shall punish leviathan the piercing serpent, even leviathan that crooked serpent; and he shall slay the dragon that is in the sea.

Leviathan? Really? a dragon?


Hello ccfromsc, Like most self appointed "experts" who are bible agnostics and mockers like yourself, you have not done your homework and you know very little about what you are talking about.

There are a lot of people like you around today. You might want to try just a bit more research and prayerful study and ask God to help you repent of your Hubris and give you the faith the believe His Book - the King James Bible.

Yes, Satyrs and Dragons are both correct. Try to learn something.

But to do that, you will need to actually READ the article. Are you willing to do that?

Satyrs, Dragons, Unicorns, Whales and Cockatrices

http://brandplucked.webs.com/satdragunicorns.htm

"He that hath ears to hear, let him hear." Luke 8:8

"But if any man be ignorant, let him be ignorant." 1 Corinthians 14:38

God bless.
 

brandplucked

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Get a clue

Get a clue

Referring to Jesus Christ as "he" is degrading. The angel in Matthew 1:21 KJV obviously didn't get the message.

Hi fourz. Maybe you should just write your own bible version and be done with it. That is the only way you are going to be happy. Check out most Bibles in all language out there. They do not capitalize "he" or "him" when referring to God. Neither do the Hebrew or Greek make a distinction. And there is often good reason for this. The NKJV makes an attempt to capitalize "He" or "Him" and they often end up getting it wrong and force an interpretation on the passage that is incorrect.

But guys like you who want to be their own "final authority" will look for any excuse to not believe the Book - the King James Bible.

Have a lovely day.
 

genuineoriginal

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The world - tetelestai should learn his own English language and stop being a Bible critic



Merriam-Webster Dicionary

the world
: the earth and all the people and things on it
: A PART OF THE WORLD AND THE PEOPLE AND THINGS THAT EXIST THERE
: human society

Webster’s Dicionary 1828

15. The principal nations or countries of the earth. Alexander conquered the world.

16. The Roman empire.

17. A large tract of country; a wide compass of things.

Oxford English Dictionary - the world

A region or group of countries:
the English-speaking world

American Heritage Dictionary

3. often World A specified part of the earth: the Western World.
4. A part of the earth and its inhabitants as known at a given period in history: the ancient world.

Collins English Dictionary

a division or section of the earth, its history, or its inhabitants“ * ⇒* ■*the Western World”, “ * ⇒* ■*the Ancient World”, “ * ⇒* ■*the Third World”

Macmillian Dictionary - the world - a particular group of countries

Cambridge Advanced Learner’s Dictionary

A group of things such as countries, or animals, or an area of human activity or understanding

The Muslim world
the modern industrialized world
the animal world
stars from the rock music world

You have just proven that the KJV has a translation error and that you need to learn more about the English language.

Here is the word translated as "world" in Greek: αἰών aiōn
And the same word in English

_____
Origin of aeon
Latin, from Greek aiōn

aeon
1 an immeasurably or indefinitely long period of time : age
2 a usually eon : a very large division of geologic time usually longer than an era
2 b : a unit of geologic time equal to one billion years
_____​

KJV got it wrong in declaring it to be a geographic region instead of a geologic time.
 

brandplucked

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Bible agnostics who can't read.

Bible agnostics who can't read.

You have just proven that the KJV has a translation error and that you need to learn more about the English language.

Here is the word translated as "world" in Greek: αἰών aiōn
And the same word in English

_____
Origin of aeon
Latin, from Greek aiōn

aeon
1 an immeasurably or indefinitely long period of time : age
2 a usually eon : a very large division of geologic time usually longer than an era
2 b : a unit of geologic time equal to one billion years
_____​

KJV got it wrong in declaring it to be a geographic region instead of a geologic time.

Hi go. You obviously did not bother to actually READ the article, did you. That, or you have a very serious reading comprehension problem.


May I suggest you actually read the article. I deal with the Greek work aion, in case you didn't notice.

http://brandplucked.webs.com/endofageorworld.htm

You will find that section about half way down.

None so blind as those who refuse to see, eh, go?:think:
 

genuineoriginal

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Hi go. You obviously did not bother to actually READ the article, did you. That, or you have a very serious reading comprehension problem.
I have read enough of your poorly written articles to know that there is no truth in any of them.

May I suggest you actually read the article. I deal with the Greek work aion, in case you didn't notice.

http://brandplucked.webs.com/endofageorworld.htm

You will find that section about half way down.
I see you mistakenly believe a dispensation is an era of time.
:rotfl:

The KJV Bible is wrong in translating aeon as world.

You claim, "Obviously not all scholars agree on the meaning of the word aion".
Yes, the stupid and deceitful ones believe it means "world" instead of aeon.

You can see that they are stupid and deceitful by recognizing that the word has come into English through Latin from the Greek with the meaning intact: An era of time.

None so blind as those who refuse to see, eh, go?:think:
Yes, you are what Jesus called a blind guide.
When the blind (you) lead the blind (other KJV Only advocates) they both end up in a ditch.
 
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Brother Vinny

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It's interesting that the Bible compares the word of God's purity to silver rather than gold. Gold can be purified to the point of being 100% pure. Silver can get close, 99.9% or so, but always has slight trace impurities.
 

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I'd like to thank Adam for helping me work this out.

We were wondering why someone would need to have a "perfect" bible? It's reasonable to have translations, especially many translations to compare, to understand God's word even if they aren't perfect.

So what was the need, nay, EXTREME need, to have a "perfect" bible? And we think we know the answer. The answer is the KJVO people didn't, and perhaps don't today, understand what they read in the bible. I don't mean they aren't good at English grammar, or even that they have poor comprehension. They are probably very good at both. What I mean is that they've read the bible and the story just doesn't make sense. At that point, they have a *feeling* that they really do have the truth in the bible, that it seems that despite how confusing the story is, the bible is still so amazing. But they can't put their finger on just why that is. And they have a FEAR that since they don't know exactly why they feel the bible contains God's truth that they are at risk to falling prey to another book. So they lock in a book and declare it "divine." And the bible is unique in that the original autographs are not in English, and there are so many translations in so many languages ranging from Latin to the gender neutral bible and a hundred others that may or may not change the meaning of what is said that they feel compelled to identify a single version as their anchor.

This is what they shall be believe, right or wrong, because any other reading will allow all other readings and they know deep down they have no way to distinguish the truth in God's word because even the version they call divine is confusing to them. One might almost call it an idol.
 

patrick jane

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It's interesting that the Bible compares the word of God's purity to silver rather than gold. Gold can be purified to the point of being 100% pure. Silver can get close, 99.9% or so, but always has slight trace impurities.

Interesting yes, it could be that God allows for and knows human error (impurities) will occur, especially in ages without printing and computers etc. There are many more scholars now than in the past.
 

George Affleck

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It's interesting that the Bible compares the word of God's purity to silver rather than gold. Gold can be purified to the point of being 100% pure. Silver can get close, 99.9% or so, but always has slight trace impurities.

The law of the LORD is perfect, converting the soul: the testimony of the LORD is sure, making wise the simple.
The statutes of the LORD are right, rejoicing the heart: the commandment of the LORD is pure, enlightening the eyes.
The fear of the LORD is clean, enduring for ever: the judgments of the LORD are true and righteous altogether.
More to be desired are they than gold, yea, than much fine gold: sweeter also than honey and the honeycomb.
 

Brother Vinny

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The law of the LORD is perfect, converting the soul: the testimony of the LORD is sure, making wise the simple.
The statutes of the LORD are right, rejoicing the heart: the commandment of the LORD is pure, enlightening the eyes.
The fear of the LORD is clean, enduring for ever: the judgments of the LORD are true and righteous altogether.
More to be desired are they than gold, yea, than much fine gold: sweeter also than honey and the honeycomb.

So why not compare the purity of the word with gold rather than silver? Why compare with something that can only get to 99.9% pure when there's a more precious metal that can be made 100% pure? Are you suggesting God's knowledge of the metals He created is somehow lacking?
 

1Way1Truth1Life

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It's interesting that the Bible compares the word of God's purity to silver rather than gold. Gold can be purified to the point of being 100% pure. Silver can get close, 99.9% or so, but always has slight trace impurities.

Printer error? Nope, God is telling us KJO is wrong and not of Him. Spirit and Life.
 

brandplucked

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AION as WORLD (for those that can read)

AION as WORLD (for those that can read)

AION as WORLD



Even the modern versions like the NASB, NIV, ESV, NKJV and Holman ALL at times translate this same Greek word as WORLD. The NIV does this four times - Luke 16:8 "the children of this world"; Romans 12:2 "Be not conformed to this world"; 1 Timothy 6:17 "Charge them that are rich in this world..."; and 2 Timothy 4:10 "Demas hath forsaken me, having loved this present world."

The NASB translates this same Greek word as "world" 7 times, including twice as "worlds" in Hebrews 11:3 "Through faith we understand that the WORLDS were framed by the word of God." and "whom he hath appointed heir of all things, by whom also he made the WORLDS" - Hebrews 1:2. The NASB likewise has "the care of this world" Matthew 13:22 and Mark 4:19; and "the god of this world" 2 Corinthians 4:4, as well as agreeing with the NIV in 1 and 2 Timothy. The Holman and the NKJV also translate this word as "world" in several verses in the New Testament.

The ESV likewise has translated the Greek word "aion" as "world" in Matthew 13:22 "the cares of this WORLD"; Mark 4:19; Luke 16:8 - "the sons of THIS WORLD"; John 9:32 "since THE WORLD BEGAN"; Romans 12:2 "conformed to THIS WORLD"; 2 Corinthians 4:4 "the god of THIS WORLD"; 2 Timothy 4:10 "in love with this present WORLD" and in Hebrews 1:2 "through whom he created THE WORLD."

The NKJV has translated the Greek word 'aioon' as 'world' some 10 times. Matthew 13:22 (Mark 4:19) 'the cares of this world"; Luke 1:70 "since the world began"; Luke 16:8 "the sons of this world"; John 9:32 "since the world began"; Acts 3:21 "since the world began"; Romans 12:2 "be not conformed to this world"; 2 Timothy 4:10 "having loved this present world"; and in both Hebrews 1:2 and 11:3 "through whom also He made the worlds"; and "the worlds were framed by the word of God."

The word ‘aionas’ in Hebrews 1:2; 11:3:

King James Bible - “Hath in these last days spoken unto us by his Son, whom he hath appointed heir of all things, by whom also he made the WORLDS (aionas) -- Heb. 1:2 .. . Through faith we understand that the WORLDS (aionas) were framed by the word of God, so that things which are seen were not made of things which do appear.” -- Heb. 11:3

Tyndale 1534 - he made the WORLDE . . . the WORLDE was ordeyned by the worde of God

Great Bible 1540 - he made the WORLDE . . . the WORLDE was ordeyned by the worde of God

Geneva Bible 1587 - he made the WORLDES . . . the WORLDE was ordeined by the worde of God

Bishop's Bible 1568 - he made the WORLDS . . . the WORLDS were ordeined by the word of God

RV 1885, ASV 1901 - he made the WORLDS . . . the WORLDS have been framed by the word of God

RSV 1946-1971 - he created the WORLD . . . the WORLD was created by the word of God

God's First Truth 1999 - by whom also he made the WORLD….Through faith we understand that the WORLD was ordained by the word of God

King James Bible, NKJV 1982, New Life Version 1969, Amplified Bible 1987, New Revised Standard Version 1989, The Word of Yah 1993, Interlinear Greek New Testament 1997 (Larry Pierce), Worldwide English N.T. 1998, Sacred Scriptures Family of Yah 2001, Tomson New Testament 2002, The Evidence Bible 2003, New Century Version 2005, Bond Slave Version 2009, BRG Bible 2012, Lexham English Bible 2012, Interlinear Hebrew-Greek Scriptures 2012 (Mebust) - by whom also he made the WORLDS . . . the WORLDS were framed by the word of God

Lamsa’s translation of the Syriac Peshitta 1933 - “he made the WORLDS. . . WORLDS were framed by the word of God”

Lawrie Translation 1998 - by means of whom also he made the WORLDS…By faith we understand the WORLDS to have been framed by the word of God, so that the things seen exist from things not appearing.

NET 2006 (Dan Wallace) - By faith we understand that the WORLDS were set in order at God’s command

Context Group Version 2007 - By trust we understand that the WORLDS have been framed by the word of God
Hebraic Transliteration Scripture 2010 - Through emunah we understand that the WORLDS were framed by the Dvar Elohim

Holy Scriptures VW Edition 2010 - through Whom also He made the WORLDS

Biblos Interlinear Bible 2011 - through whom he made the WORLDS....

Common English Bible 2011 - God made his Son the heir of everything and created the WORLD through him.

ESV 2011 - through whom also he created the WORLD.

Names of God Bible 2011 - Faith convinces us that God created the WORLD through his word.


The Work of God’s Children Illustrated Bible 2011 - by whom He made the WORLD…By faith we understand that the WORLD was framed by the word of God that from invisible things visible things might be made.

Conservative Bible 2011 - By whom he made the WORLDS

The Voice 2012 - But in these last days, it has come to us through His Son, the One who has been given dominion over all things and through whom all WORLDS were made.

World English Bible 2012 - through whom also he made the WORLDS.
Modern English Version 2014 - and through whom He made the WORLD.

German Bible - er auch die Welt gemacht hat (he also the WORLD has made) – Heb. 1:2 ...die Welt durch Gottes Wort fertig ist (the WORLD through God's word is ready) – Heb 11:3

Even though some Bible critics emphatically tell you the word aion does not mean "world" but "age", all the modern versions disagree and so do many Greek Lexicons.

Bauer, Arndt, and Gingrich in their Greek-English Lexicon on page 27 list one of the definitions of the word aion as: "THE WORLD as a spatial concept".

Kittel's huge Lexicon in 10 volumns says on page 203: "The sense of "time or course of the world" can easily pass over into that of "THE WORLD ITSELF", so that aion approximates closely to kosmos...to the description of the end of the world (aion) there corresponds the description of its beginning as foundation of the world (kosmos). The equation of aion and kosmos, also found in the Hellenistic mysteries, is to be explained in the NT by Jewish linguistic usage...the spatial significance is just as definite as the temporal."

Trench's Synonyms of the New Testament quotes several authors who agree that the word aion properly means "THE WORLD". Trench himself says: "Aion came to mean all that exists in THE WORLD under conditions of time." He then quotes C.L.W. Grimm who defines aion as: "THE WORLD inasmuch as it is active in time."

Trench also quotes Windischmann who says: "Aion dare never be taken to denote only time, but rather as embracing everything caught up in time, THE WORLD and its glory, people and their natural doings and strivings, in contrast to yonder eternal kingdom of the Messiah."

Trench, though giving conflicting thoughts (as is often the case) ends his article on the meaning of aion with these words: "ETYMOLOGICALLY OUR ENGLISH WORD "WORLD" MORE NEARLY REPRESENTS AION THAN DOES THE GREEK KOSMOS."
 
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