Banned For "Intentional Blasphemy ?
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glorydaz
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Cruelty is like beauty. It's in the eye of the beholder.
Scholar Mark Jordan has shown us that the term "sodomy" originated in the eleventh century as a new classification of certain "clerical sins."
While early church fathers such as St. Ambrose and Origen clearly associate sodomy with inhospitality, by the time of St. Augustine, cultural associations around the word, communicated through secular poetry and legend shifted both its denotative and connotative meanings.
And believers still do not yet know the word "homosexuality" first became known around the 1940s.
When that word is mentioned in the Bible, it has nothing to do with gay sex. It connotes temple rites or male phallic aggression as in the story of Sodom.
I do not support abortion. And you know as well as I do that a legitimate standard as to knowing when "life" actually begins has not yet been determined.
I also know that for centuries, women have been beaten back into a corner whenever they had abortions. This problem will only go away when countries start building a structural safety net to support all women who get pregnant.
Your hysterical fixation on the unborn fetus prevents you from seeing and supporting life outside the womb. As much as you rage against women who give birth, the more the child is totally ignored.
It's not right and I will always stand up against it.
ok doser
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Huckleberry
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Biology says life begins at conception.
That pesky biology. :nono:
Because it's murder, of the most innocent and defenseless of all human beings.
No it doesn't. What are you babbling about? :idunno:
Where have I done that? Other than your fevered imagination, I mean.
(That's bigoted prejudice) :listen:
Still nope.
I'm sure that straw man doesn't stand a chance. :box:
Lon
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:nono:
READ the verses. I am not interested in man's opinions but God's, even if they are 'old-historical' opinions (not to say that I'm not interested in orthodoxy or history). Let's discuss these verses.
Lon
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:nono: "I" volunteer to help these kids AND give my $$$ for that purpose. It is wicked to make your 'impression' a truth as such is the definition of gossip and lies. Christians out-give all others and fundamental Christians out-give Liberal ones. Fact, not opinion or gossip. Liberals 'make stuff up' and then, sadly 'believe it.'
Lies are lies are lies are lies.(oddly, this thread became an extension of the other abortion thread, rather than continuing regarding bans.... :think: )
kiwimacahau
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Of course it doesn't, because sodomy is an english word, based on the sin of Sodom and its primary meaning (before things have been added to it, to soften it) was anal sex between men.
Dialogos
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Absolutely wrong. I'm sorry aikido but you could not be more wrong on this.
Lets start with the Greek work αρσενοκοιτες. It occurs in two NT texts. 1 Cor 6:9-11:
Or do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: neither the sexually immoral, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor men who practice homosexuality (αρσενοκοιτες), nor thieves, nor the greedy, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God. And such were some of you. But you were washed, you were sanctified, you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ and by the Spirit of our God. (1 Corinthians 6:9-11 ESV)
...and 1 Tim 1:8-11:
Now we know that the law is good, if one uses it lawfully, understanding this, that the law is not laid down for the just but for the lawless and disobedient, for the ungodly and sinners, for the unholy and profane, for those who strike their fathers and mothers, for murderers, the sexually immoral, men who practice homosexuality (αρσενοκοιτες), enslavers, liars, perjurers, and whatever else is contrary to sound doctrine, in accordance with the gospel of the glory of the blessed God with which I have been entrusted. (1 Timothy 1:8-11 ESV)
In both of these passages αρσενοκοιτες is correctly translated men who practice homosexuality.
Do you want to know how extremely obvious it is that this is a correct translation?
Because αρσην means male and κοιτη means to have sex with.
Paul is very clearly pointing to the Septuagint translation of Leviticus 20:13:
Which says:
If a man lies with a male as with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination; they shall surely be put to death; their blood is upon them. (Leviticus 20:13 ESV)
Here is that verse in Septuagint Greek:
καὶ ὃς ἂν κοιμηθῇ μετὰ ἄρσενος κοίτην γυναικός βδέλυγμα ἐποίησαν ἀμφότεροι θανατούσθωσαν ἔνοχοί εἰσιν (Lev 20:13 BGT)
The Greek words that the Septuagint translates used for the hebrew Shakab et zakar (lie with a male) are the two Greek words (αρσεν and κοιτη) that Paul conjoins to form αρσενοκοιτες.
No one, not even the most liberal of so called scholars have tried to argue that Lev 20:13 is about refusing to show hospitality. That would be, frankly, moronic. And so the very clear connection between Paul's usage of αρσενοκοιτες and Lev 20:13 is simply obfuscated.
Its very clear to connect all the dots when you don't intentionally suppress the facts because you have a social agenda.
It would appear you have been the victim of some pretty bad misinformation.
I must admit that pro-choice people really puzzle me. Most of them stick to science, when it comes to global warming, evolution etc. But when it comes to abortion, they ignore science.
The basic scientific definition of life is old and very simple: something that metabolizes and replicates. Even the fertilized egg cell fulfills this definition just as any simple bacteria does (no comparison intended), while viruses don't do that, because they required a cell for replication.
The basic scientific definition of life is old and very simple: something that metabolizes and replicates. Even the fertilized egg cell fulfills this definition just as any simple bacteria does (no comparison intended), while viruses don't do that, because they required a cell for replication.
21 million chickens are slaughtered each and every day in this country as part of our food chain. We send drones to murder people in Islamic countries. The death penalty is used by some states. These are all choices. Which do you support?
Homophobe. Keep your gay hate to yourself buddy
All the above
I don't subscribe to the tactics you're using. My argument was simply about when life begins biologically. Not more, not less. I leave the interpretation of the facts I stated up to you, but obviously I hit a nerve.