drbrumley
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"That's different." :up:
Armed terrorists occupy federal building - won't leave until their demands are met
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"That's different." :up:
Jose Fly
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Oregon ranchers at center of militant standoff report to federal prison in California
Well....so much for that.
Well....so much for that.
ok doser
lifeguard at the cement pond
are you disappointed?
musterion
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Jose Fly
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Sheriff to Militants: "Go Home"
So the Hammonds didn't want their "support" and the locals don't want them there either. Huh.
So the Hammonds didn't want their "support" and the locals don't want them there either. Huh.
drbrumley
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So we can now expect Judge Ann Aiken's impeachment? Will you support that?
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zoo22
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ok doser
lifeguard at the cement pond
well, I'm sure zoo and granite are disappointed that they won't be able to play internet tough guy anymore and call these guys names from the safety of their mommy's basements
drbrumley
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Ad absurdum.
did the Feds take it back yet ?
zoo22
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Oh, I see, the Bundy freedom fighters are like the founding fathers. Wait, which founder was it who called the constitution "scripture", and said it was like the Bible? Was it Jefferson? ... Oh, no I remember now, it was Cliven "God said to take the guns away from the feds" Bundy.
musterion
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They're not serious about "fighting" for anything except some more time on the news.
What a total crock.
Good article, as is one that doc posted a couple pages up. The trouble is what Jose says in a post a couple down and what you said in a previous page. The Hammonds might have a legitimate case here but when a bunch of guys with guns show up the focus moves off the Hammonds and their cause and onto the 'militias'. If Bundy is really trying to help the Hammonds he's an idiot.
You truly see no difference between occupying a place unarmed and occupying a place with guns and talking about being ready to die? Why does a 'peaceful protest' require the protesters to be armed? :doh:
My post should not be interpreted as supporting everything the Occupy and BLM movements have done, only that I recognize a difference between armed and unarmed protests.
Jose Fly
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I don't think they do. When they were first charged with arson on federal property, they were told by the prosecutor that a conviction of that crime carries a mandatory 5 year minimum sentence, and were offered a plea bargain to lesser crimes, thereby avoiding the 5 year mandatory minimum. They refused and elected to go for a jury trial, where they were subsequently convicted of arson on federal property. Now they're crying because they're going to prison for 5 years.
If they'd just owned up to what they'd done and taken responsibility, they'd be free men today and none of us would ever know anything about them.
But this whole thing, including the Bundy nutters, isn't about responsibility. It's about a group of people who can't deal with not getting what they want, whenever they want it. Now they're saying their demands are to give the refuge land to ranchers for free. IOW, they're demanding that you and I (the taxpayers) give huge swaths of land to them and their buddies for free, so they can profit from it.
Or let the Federal Government confiscate the land and reap the profits from it?
Jose Fly
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And here's an interesting little tidbit....
A lot of the media coverage and opinion pieces that I've read say that the Bundy militia nutters are only guilty of trespassing. Well guess what? (SOURCE)
I'd love to see these "patriots", especially the Bundy brothers whose father infamously said blacks were better off as slaves, spend at least a decade in a federal prison. Now that would be interesting!
A lot of the media coverage and opinion pieces that I've read say that the Bundy militia nutters are only guilty of trespassing. Well guess what? (SOURCE)
18 U.S. Code § 2384 - Seditious conspiracy
If two or more persons in any State or Territory, or in any place subject to the jurisdiction of the United States, conspire to overthrow, put down, or to destroy by force the Government of the United States, or to levy war against them, or to oppose by force the authority thereof, or by force to prevent, hinder, or delay the execution of any law of the United States, or by force to seize, take, or possess any property of the United States contrary to the authority thereof, they shall each be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than twenty years, or both.
If two or more persons in any State or Territory, or in any place subject to the jurisdiction of the United States, conspire to overthrow, put down, or to destroy by force the Government of the United States, or to levy war against them, or to oppose by force the authority thereof, or by force to prevent, hinder, or delay the execution of any law of the United States, or by force to seize, take, or possess any property of the United States contrary to the authority thereof, they shall each be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than twenty years, or both.
I'd love to see these "patriots", especially the Bundy brothers whose father infamously said blacks were better off as slaves, spend at least a decade in a federal prison. Now that would be interesting!
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