Let me take a step back. I realize that the whole "Born again" applied specifically through Israel and that it conflates a bit. I don't want to be seen as objecting to that. Rather I'm trying to see, if only the moniker particularly is the problem or if 'born of Spirit' is yet our universal need. I believe it is, we have to be new creations. I recognize and can concur that at that specific time, it was a message particular to Nicodemus. My hold-out, if you will, is that I see an idea in the Son, that His work would be, and the Father's heart, a redemption on the scope of the whole world, because that is what it says. As such, I don't have a problem with 'born again' monikers, persay. Let me ask: How do Mid Acts see the rest of Christianity? Confused but saved? Fretting when they should be trusting? Other? Thanks all. Appreciate this thread. -Lon