Are You a Judaizer?

Robert Pate

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A Judaizer is one that believes in Jesus, but also believes that you must follow the law of Moses.

There were many Judaizers in the early church. The apostle James was one of them. Many did not understand the Gospel and justification by faith apart from the works of the law. Paul was the only apostle that fully understood that Christians were no longer required to follow the law. The reason for this is because Paul received the Gospel directly from Jesus Christ, Galatians 1:11,12. It is the Gospel that frees us from the law of Moses.

James sent men to spy on Peter and Barnabas to see if they were eating with Gentiles, Galatians 2:12. This was a direct violation of the law of Moses. When the Jews walked into the dinner there at the church in Antioch, Peter and Barnabas went under the table. Paul saw the whole thing and gave everyone a good tongue lashing, Galatians 2:14-21.

Later on in Acts 15, Paul wanted to introduce some Gentile believers to the church there in Jerusalem. When James and some of the others got word that they were coming they said, "Except that you are circumcised after the manner of Moses, you cannot be saved" Acts 15:1. This caused some dispute. If it had not been for all of the things that God was doing with the Gentiles through Paul they probably would have circumcised them, but because of Paul's testimony they let them off.

WHY CHRISTIANS ARE NOT UNDER THE LAW OF MOSES OR ANY LAWS.

All through the Old Testament and into the New Testament God's people are called to live by faith and not by rules, laws or religion. Paul wrote, "The Just Shall Live By Faith" Romans 1:17. Living by rules, laws and religion is not living by faith. While Jesus was dying on the cross God tore the veil that covered the "Holy of Holies" from the top to the bottom, Matthew 27:51. This signified the end of the Old Covenant, the law and the Jewish religion. Many in the early church could not grasp the meaning of this event and became Judaizers. Many today cannot believe that Christians are free from the law and try to keep the commandments.

Living by laws, rules and commandments is a denial of the Gospel.

Jesus is the end and the fulfillment of the Old Covenant, the law and the Jewish religion. Paul wrote, "But now the righteousness of God WITHOUT THE LAW is manifested, being witnessed by the law and the prophets" Romans 3:21. If you want to see the righteousness of God, don't look to the law, Jesus is God's law incarnate in human flesh. Jesus is the New Covenant. The Old Covenant and the law have passed away, Hebrews 8:13. The new and living way is by faith in Christ and his Gospel, which brings with it the indwelling Holy Spirit.

Some of the Galatians were trying to receive the Holy Spirit by the works of the law, this is what Paul said to them, "This only would I learn of you, Did you receive the Holy Spirit by the works of the law (because you did something) or by the hearing of faith?" (hearing and believing the Gospel) Galatians 3:2. Many do not have the Spirit because they are trying to obtain it by the works of the law instead of by faith in Christ and his Gospel.
 

Crucible

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The definition of a 'Judaizer', as understood by unprincipled Christians: A Christian who teaches principles.

I'm tired of people calling anything hard ~the old law~ to get off on it.

When Paul spoke of the Scriptures being good for reproof and doctrine, he was speaking of the Old Testament- the NT didn't exist.
 

CherubRam

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The definition of a 'Judaizer', as understood by unprincipled Christians: A Christian who teaches principles.

I'm tired of people calling anything hard ~the old law~ to get off on it.

When Paul spoke of the Scriptures being good for reproof and doctrine, he was speaking of the Old Testament- the NT didn't exist.

The fact that the New Testament did not exist in the beginning seems to allude most Christians.
 

Ben Masada

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A Judaizer is one that believes in Jesus, but also believes that you must follow the law of Moses.

Wanna know why? Because Jesus himself told them to listen to "Moses" aka the Law. (Luke 16:29-31)

There were many Judaizers in the early church. The apostle James was one of them. Many did not understand the Gospel and justification by faith apart from the works of the law. Paul was the only apostle that fully understood that Christians were no longer required to follow the law. The reason for this is because Paul received the Gospel directly from Jesus Christ, Galatians 1:11,12. It is the Gospel that frees us from the law of Moses.

Yes, there were many Judaizers in the First Century but, none of them was a Christian. They were all members of the Sect of the Nazarenes a Sect organized by the Apostles of Jesus.

James sent men to spy on Peter and Barnabas to see if they were eating with Gentiles, Galatians 2:12. This was a direct violation of the law of Moses. When the Jews walked into the dinner there at the church in Antioch, Peter and Barnabas went under the table. Paul saw the whole thing and gave everyone a good tongue lashing, Galatians 2:14-21.

Yes, James did send Nazarenes but to try to restore their synagogues which Paul had overturned into Christian churches wherever he found one. That was Paul's custom; to act as a cuckoo bird laying his Christian eggs on Nazarene nests. BTW, Paul was never able to start a Christian church from scratch; I mean, with Gentiles only. Hence, Peter was the apostle of the Gentiles and not Paul. Peter himself declared so. (Acts 15:5)

Later on in Acts 15, Paul wanted to introduce some Gentile believers to the church there in Jerusalem. When James and some of the others got word that they were coming they said,"Except that you are circumcised after the manner of Moses, you cannot be saved" Acts 15:1. This caused some dispute. If it had not been for all of the things that God was doing with the Gentiles through Paul they probably would have circumcised them, but because of Paul's testimony they let them off.

That's not true. Hence, I request of you to document what you say with the proper evidence. The commandment of the circumcision was everlasting as we have in Genesis 17:19 and, when Jesus said to listen to "Moses" aka the Law, it is only obvious that he had the circumcision in mind. (Luke 16:29-31)

WHY CHRISTIANS ARE NOT UNDER THE LAW OF MOSES OR ANY LAWS.

Because Paul released them from the Law as we have in Romans 7:6 and that Jesus had been the end of the Law. (Romans 10:4) So, the alternative of not being under the Law is to be outlaws because, above the Law, only God is.

All through the Old Testament and into the New Testament God's people are called to live by faith and not by rules, laws or religion. Paul wrote, "The Just Shall Live By Faith" Romans 1:17. Living by rules, laws and religion is not living by faith. While Jesus was dying on the cross God tore the veil that covered the "Holy of Holies" from the top to the bottom, Matthew 27:51. This signified the end of the Old Covenant, the law and the Jewish religion. Many in the early church could not grasp the meaning of this event and became Judaizers. Many today cannot believe that Christians are free from the law and try to keep the commandments.

I would like to know where in the OT God's People are called to live without Law. No quote, no nothing. If you need help, read the whole Psalm 119 and you will learn the opposite of what you say. Now, that the veil in the Temple was torn down from the top to the bottom is something that the Talmud could not have missed. I have read the whole of the Talmud and that's not mentioned. And for the end of the Law and Judaism that is simply promotion of the Pauline policy of Replacement Theology. Still regarding the Law, not a single human being can be free from the Law. It is totally crazy even to think so.

Living by laws, rules and commandments is a denial of the Gospel.

Yes, the gospel of Paul aka the NT; but in preference to the gospel of Jesus aka the Tanach.
 

jamie

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A Judaizer is one that believes in Jesus, but also believes that you must follow the law of Moses.

Wanna know why? Because Jesus himself told them to listen to "Moses" aka the Law.

Was Jesus speaking to Jews or to Gentiles?
 

Ben Masada

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Was Jesus speaking to Jews or to Gentiles?

Jesus was speaking to the Jews. Jesus did not speak to Gentiles in terms of teaching them the gospel of salvation. Every time he would send his disciples on a mission to spread the gospel of salvation, he would forbid them to go the way of the Gentiles, especially the Samaritans. Myself, I wonder why because, I am sure he knew from Isaiah 42:6 that Israel had been assigned as light to the Gentiles. Even himself, when delivering his sermon of the mount, he would refer to the Jews as light of the world. (Matthew 5:14)
 

jamie

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Jesus was speaking to the Jews. Jesus did not speak to Gentiles in terms of teaching them the gospel of salvation. Every time he would send his disciples on a mission to spread the gospel of salvation, he would forbid them to go the way of the Gentiles, especially the Samaritans. Myself, I wonder why because, I am sure he knew from Isaiah 42:6 that Israel had been assigned as light to the Gentiles. Even himself, when delivering his sermon of the mount, he would refer to the Jews as light of the world. (Matthew 5:14)

Jesus was specifically sent to the Father's firstborn. Israel is sent to the Gentiles. One step at a time.
 

Ben Masada

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The ten commands are obviously the commands of God.

Yes but, many times even within the Tanach itself, a reference to the Decalogue comes in terms of Law of Moses. You can even use the NT as an evidence of the fact when Jesus himself warned to listen to "Moses" aka the Law. (Luke 16:29-31) Most definitely, he was referring to the Decalogue.
 

Ben Masada

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Jesus was specifically sent to the Father's firstborn. Israel is sent to the Gentiles. One step at a time.

Whom did you learn the gospel you teach, from Israel or from Paul? The gospel of Israel is the Tanach and it has nothing to do with the NT. Why did you rush for the gospel of Paul instead of waiting for the gospel of Israel? The Almighty God, by grace, has given you every day of your life to reconsider.
 

CherubRam

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Yes but, many times even within the Tanach itself, a reference to the Decalogue comes in terms of Law of Moses. You can even use the NT as an evidence of the fact when Jesus himself warned to listen to "Moses" aka the Law. (Luke 16:29-31) Most definitely, he was referring to the Decalogue.
Luke 16 is a Gnostic corruption.
 
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