I am speaking of enemies as in evil enemies. Not just your typical "lost" soul.kmoney said:
ARCHIVE: Is it ever OK for a Christian to hate someone?
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lovemeorhateme
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Knight said:
Where does the Bible tell us to hate? Actually command us to 'hate someone to repentance?' :think:
Maybe your missing the point. :think:lovemeorhateme said:
Maybe the point is that love is more than just acceptance and tolerance. Maybe love could include perfect hatred for a wicked enemy. For if that perfect hatred helped the wicked realize they were wicked and then they later repented, your hatred would have been the most loving thing you could have done.
Knight said:
I can see where you would say that Knight, really, but doesnt the bible say you'll know them by their fruits? From the age of three to eighteen I was a christian, I went to church every sunday, helpped out in the community, donated my time and energy to helpping the church, I was going to go on a mission trip to Brazil but money problems kept me from going, I was a christian through and through.
I believed every word of it, and if some one had put a gun to my head and asked me if I thought I was going to heaven, I would have answered yes and died content in knowing thats where I was going. I was a christian, through and through. And according to some, I'm still saved, just going through a relaps, but once saved always saved. Others, say I'm doomed to hell, and if thats so, well, to bad for me.
Perhaps you could tell me how to do that. Don't give me "well the hating drives them to Christ, and then they go to heaven. So that's really loving them". That's a pathetic convluted argument which falls on its face. How many sinners did Jesus hate to drive them towards Himself? Look at the world's response to Christian hate. Sure made them want Jesus, didn't it? No. Why would they want to be like us? Love always elicits a better response than hate.
We are told to love. We are told to be gentle with everyone. If you have convinced yourself that this somehow excuses you to hate people then you are wrong.
Well I already showed you one... here is another...lovemeorhateme said:
Romans 12:9 Let love be without hypocrisy. Abhor what is evil. Cling to what is good.
Abhor literally means hate.
Romans 12:9 pretty much sums up the argument. Loving wickedness is actually unrighteously hating someone, yet hating wickedness is the most loving thing you could do for the wicked.
An infinite amount.Johnny said:
Matthew 10:34 “Do not think that I came to bring peace on earth. I did not come to bring peace but a sword. 35 “For I have come to ‘set a man against his father, a daughter against her mother, and a daughter-in-law against her mother-in-law’; 36 “and ‘a man’s enemies will be those of his own household.’
lovemeorhateme
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Knight said:
I can see the point there. I can see exactly where you are coming from. However, I disagree.
If I know someone who is in sin, how should I approach them? If I show hatred to them, then I will put them right off even wanting to know the first thing about salvation. I have spoken to people in the past, who refuse to have anything to do with salvation, as they can't stand the fact that, in their own words, 'Christians are so judgemental and hateful.'
Now, if I approach them with love, as in openly showing them love, they are far more likely to listen.
lovemeorhateme
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Knight said:
I don't buy your interpretation there. I really can't see it.
Aimiel
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Somehow I just can't quite hear Jesus saying, "Get that woman off my feet, why is she putting that perfume on me with her dirty hair, she's a hooker, somebody get her off of me, I hate hookers." I also don't think He said, "Get away from this well you adulteress, I hate sinners." He didn't say, "Peter, I hate you," He said, "Get thee behind me, Satan..." because His hatred was against sin, not the sinner. He didn't even tell Satan that He hated Him, He merely rebuked him and put him in his place with The Word of God.
Imagine a child raping pedophile.kmoney said:
Should he be loved by acceptance and tolerance? Or should he be loved by abhoring his wickedness?
That's because you are a pervert.lovemeorhateme said:
On this we agree!fool said:
lovemeorhateme
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Knight said:
Knight, I am not a pervert. I am a human being who is seeking the truth about God, and the Bible. Nothing more and nothing less. Just ask HisLight for instance, and she can tell you the truth of that.
Arn't you a homo?lovemeorhateme said:
I think he should be executed. And if it was a child I knew I'd want to kill him myself.Knight said:
But I think maybe we should try to spell out what hating someone like that would mean. What is involved in it? Calling them names? Screaming at them? Ignoring them? Killing them?