Re: Getting the point ...
Re: Getting the point ...
Originally posted by Hilston
Aussie Thinker writes: Why not?
I think that is quite evident. Who wants to debate with people who call you a liar?
Of course it is, but any Christian who claims to believe that the Bible is the Word of God ought to recognize this and state it plainly to the gainsayer. The fact that you don't encounter this more often is itself disturbing. It shows that very few professing Christians are very aware of the statements of scripture about the so-called atheists and how to rebut them.
Has it ever occured to you, that we are now living 2000 years after the Bible has been written? Doesn't it appear to you that being an atheist in the time of the Bible, and being an atheist in present days, may have a bit developed, and that one should adapt ones methods to that of contemporary times?
It's not pointless. Your folly is exposed by clear logic and the sound exegesis of scripture. Your reactions are predictable. The fact remains that atheists do come to faith in Christ through having profound realizations about the inanity and internal incoherence of their worldview.
Atheism is not just one type of conviction, and the claim that anyone committing oneself to atheism, therefore has an incoherent worldview, is a grandelosque statement.
It shows arrogance, as if only those who belief in Christ have the truth. Well it didn't escape my attention, that that is the way, how Christians in general look upon others, but it is plain arrogance. Luckily though I know also of Christians who are not that arrogant.
IF THE CHRISTIANS ALL HAVE SUCH GREAT FAITH WHY DIDN"T THEY FOR CHRIST SAKE STOP THE NAZI'S FOR EXAMPLE?
WHY DIDN'T THEY, WHILE THEY COULD AND KNEW IT?
It just shows that to have fait, and to base your own actions on it, in the time and circumstances one has to, most people turn intio cowards, and don't do what they have to.
Not everyone, but most people.
And as the history of WW 2 showed out, we don't have a record that the Christian community as a whole tried to stop the nazi's.
We know that if they have the faith as they said they have, and knowing the numbers of those of Christian faith in Germany and the countries they occupied, that they had the possibility to stop the nazi's. But they failed to.
Not that I don't know of Christians who did their duty, and who were offering their lives for stopping the nazi's cause there are historic records of these facts, but there weren't so many as one would have expected from the numbers of people that had (or were supposed to have) the Christian faith.
Aussie, I know you think that, but you're self-deluded. The fact is, you don't know what you know, because you have failed to account for how you can know anything in a materialist/naturalist universe where you blindly assume the verity, universality and invariance of logical laws. (I get into this more in the post that I will offer later tonight).
I don't need to convince you. You already know it. I realize that it can be quite galling, and that is the expected reaction. All I need to do is declare the truth to you and expose the incoherence of your worldview.
What is the coherence of the Christian worldview?
How does the Biblical account of Genesis match with that of science for example?
Isn't the Biblic outlook on reality not plain false? As if one could assume the natural world not to have developed, but simply put there by acts of 'magic'? As if species are immune to change, and can't over millions of years change? As if it would be that everything that is (life or lifeless) are static things, as if anything that is not changing, could at all exist?
Isn't all that what science discovered the world to be, and will likely to discover, more acceptable then Biblical mythology?
That the future of human society, and the possibility for all people, to live a life worth living, is not "in the hand of God" but in the hand of man himself, that is if we are able of controlling society and economy and political power, and to alter those institutions and centers of power, to work in the interest of humanity and all that humans need to have a decent life, and not just for the profits of the elite?
etc. etc.