I did not say I believe the same as you. Do you read my comments GT? LOL. I said I believe I'm telling you what the bible says. I know you are paying attention to me.
You sound like an okay kind of guy. I like your posts.
"|all you have to do is believe in Jesus".. Huh?
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You sound like an okay kind of guy. I like your posts.
God's Truth
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I do not sin like I did before I was saved. You keep mocking Jesus in your ignorance to what he means.
Excellent Post.
Nah! You just don't know what you're talking about. You fight
with everybody. Have you no ability to get along? Your uncivil
behavior on this forum is despicable.
You're telling us what you say. You don't speak for God. How dare you!
You silly woman. The gentiles were NEVER under the Law. You're
annoying posters. If you were a phone I'd say: "Hang up!"
Well, that's because you, like many around here, don't
know how to, "Rightly Divide" the Scriptures. Therefore,
you're left with confusion and misinterpretation.
God's Truth
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That is why they were SEPARATE and without God and Christ in the world.
They could have obeyed the law.
God's Truth
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Just believe what the scriptures say and do not say, "That is outdated words from Jesus".
Ben Masada
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1 - Either way, they are wrong. First, there has never been a man upon earth who has never sinned and that includes Jesus who was a man upon earth and he did sin.(Eccl. 7:20) And second, repentance is return to the obedience of the Law. One can never claim not to know. (Isa. 1:18,19)
2 - Here, you contradict yourself. You define salvation with obedience and, at the same time, obedience won't save you.
3 - Salvation is not for the Jews but "from" the Jews. Wasn't so what Jesus said? (John 4:22) BTW, that's about universal salvation from universal catastrophes of the size of the Flood. That's free salvation that comes from the Jews. The other kind of salvation is personal salvation which is not free. We all must obey to be saved.
4 - Nevertheless a scribe once asked Jesus about the most important of all the commandments and Jesus responded with the Shema when God is described as absolutely One and the only Lord. (Mark 12:29) It means that God is the only Lord of all glory and the commandment is broken when lordship is attributed to another.
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Daniel1611
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Ben Masada, accept Jesus or you will die in your sins. That's what Jesus said to the Jews.
Ben Masada
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I accept Jesus as Jesus really was and not according to the lies of the NT.
God's Truth
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The Holy Bible is the God breathed book.
Try doing what Jesus says in that Bible. Jesus says if you obey what he says in the Holy Bible then you will know it is from God.
Wow. Utterly sinful response. Try to exhibit some love and grace.
In fact, that poster only expressed what James did only using slightly different terminology. Luther understood what James was saying and didn't try to reconcile it to what he thought Paul was saying (as many do today), hence he called James' letter an epistle of straw.
But the fact is that the Bible says that faith without deeds cannot save you, because a faith without deeds is dead.
The good works that faith doesn't need are the works of the Law that many Judaizers claimed converts needed; by good works (that are not needed alongside faith) Paul was not referring to good (or righteous) deeds. Once this distinction is grasped, the issue becomes clearer.
But please grow past using such invective against people you disagree with. Those are not Christian words, certainly not mature ones.
glorydaz
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Are you God's UNtruth in disguise? :think:
glorydaz
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It means you are preaching the same nonsense God's UNtruth does. Show me where Paul is talking about the works law being works of righteousness. Read it....read it right here. I see no circumcision or various washings. I do see the "washing of regeneration"....nothing there concerning the law.
Titus 3:1-4
Put them in mind to be subject to principalities and powers, to obey magistrates, to be ready to every good work, To speak evil of no man, to be no brawlers, but gentle, shewing all meekness unto all men. For we ourselves also were sometimes foolish, disobedient, deceived, serving divers lusts and pleasures, living in malice and envy, hateful, and hating one another. But after that the kindness and love of God our Saviour toward man appeared,
Put them in mind to be subject to principalities and powers, to obey magistrates, to be ready to every good work, To speak evil of no man, to be no brawlers, but gentle, shewing all meekness unto all men. For we ourselves also were sometimes foolish, disobedient, deceived, serving divers lusts and pleasures, living in malice and envy, hateful, and hating one another. But after that the kindness and love of God our Saviour toward man appeared,
Titus 3:5-6
Not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to his mercy he saved us, by the washing of regeneration, and renewing of the Holy Ghost; Which he shed on us abundantly through Jesus Christ our Saviour;
Not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to his mercy he saved us, by the washing of regeneration, and renewing of the Holy Ghost; Which he shed on us abundantly through Jesus Christ our Saviour;
I never said Paul doesn't speak of good deeds. But he speaks pejoratively of 'good works' in regards to people thinking they will be saved by subscribing to them; by that technical phrase he refers to the identifying markers of Judaism that were being pushed on Gentile converts. But when he and other writers are mentioning (positively) good actions, the phrase should be rendered 'good deeds' (or something similar (and not confused with the 'good works' considered injurious to saving faith.
Try to respond graciously.
glorydaz
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This is as gracious as you'll get until you stop thinking so highly of yourself.
No, Paul was not speaking "pejoratively" of good works when he says "Not by works of righteousness" but according to His mercy He saves us. "Not of works that any man should boast"....not of ourselves. It's hardly a pejorative that we are created in Christ Jesus unto "good works", although they do not save us. Just try to take the verse at it's face value instead of reading your own understanding into it.
Eph. 2:8
For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: Not of works, lest any man should boast. For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works, which God hath before ordained that we should walk in them.
For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: Not of works, lest any man should boast. For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works, which God hath before ordained that we should walk in them.
This is as gracious as you'll get until you stop thinking so highly of yourself.
No, Paul was not speaking "pejoratively" of good works when he says "Not by works of righteousness" but according to His mercy He saves us. "Not of works that any man should boast"....not of ourselves. It's hardly a pejorative that we are created in Christ Jesus unto "good works", although they do not save us. Just try to take the verse at it's face value instead of reading your own understanding into it.
Eph. 2:8
For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: Not of works, lest any man should boast. For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works, which God hath before ordained that we should walk in them.
Because I can't find a Christian to discuss with, I will leave it there.