Active shooter near San Bernardino, CA

[exminister]

2 San Bernardino Shooting Suspects Identified
By MEGHAN KENEALLY TOM LIDDY
Dec 3, 2015, 1:38 AM ET


At least 14 people were dead and another 17 injured in a shooting Wednesday in San Bernardino, California, when gunmen who were heavily armed and "on a mission" opened fire during a function at a center for people with developmental disabilities, police said.

Police believe two alleged shooters -- a county employee and a woman with whom he was in a relationship opened fire around 11 a.m. at the Inland Regional Center. They were armed with assault weapons and "prepared to do what they did as if they were on a mission," San Bernardino Police Chief Jarrod Burguan said.

Investigators were still trying to determine a motive, but have not ruled out terrorism.

"We have no information at this point to indicate that this is terrorist related in the traditional sense that people may be thinking. Obviously at minimum we have a domestic terrorist type situation that occurred here,” Burguan said. The FBI later said that terrorism was a "possibility."

The suspects fled the scene and hours later, police found what they believed to be the getaway car in the nearby city of Redlands, California. When the car left a house there, they followed it and a chase ensued.

There was an exchange of gunfire and two of the suspects -- a man and a woman -- were killed. Early Thursday morning, police identified them as Syed Rizwan Farook, 28 and Tashfeen Malik, 27, respectively. Burguan said that they were in some type of relationship.

"I am very sad that people lost their lives," said Farook's brother-in-law Farhan Khan.

Police said that Farook -- who worked as an environmental specialist and had worked with the county for five years -- had been at a holiday party and training event for the San Bernardino Department of Public Health. He left the even early under and appeared to be "angry," police said.

The suspects were dressed in "assault-style" clothing and armed with assault rifles and handguns, Burguan said. One officer suffered non-life-threatening injuries in the shootout. San Bernardino police spokeswoman Sgt. Vicki Cervantes said earlier that the suspects may have been wearing body armor.

"There was some planning on this. I don’t think they just ran home and grabbed these weapons," Burguan said.

Police were still investigating the vehicle Wednesday night, and what was believed to be a pipe bomb recovered was found not to be an explosive, McMahon said. An explosive device was found at the IRC.

Police detained a third suspect in a Redlands neighborhood after receiving reports that someone was jumping a fence, San Bernardino County Sherriff John McMahon said. But it was not clear if he had weapons or was involved in the shooting. Earlier police said that they believed there were upwards of three suspects.

The initial shooting at the social services center lasted for just "a few minutes" before the suspects fled.

The majority of the casualties took place in one area of the "massive" facility that employs several hundred people, Burguan said. A lunch meeting was going on involving state and county employees as well as a number of organizations, he added.

The Association of Regional Center Agencies, which represents Inland and 20 other regional centers, released a statement saying that they have not confirmed the identities of the dead or the motives of the shooters, but "what we do have are heavy hearts, knowing innocent lives were cut short."

They explained that there are no known threats against other regional centers, which they clarified treat individuals with developmental disabilities like autism, epilepsy and cerebral palsy. They did close eight centers early "out of an abundance of caution" though they did not specify the locations of those facilities.

http://abcnews.go.com/US/police-respond-reports-active-shooter-san-bernardino/story?id=35535995

 

[Desert Reign]

It seems to me that with the amount of weaponry freely available in the States and the consequent high incidence of mass shootings, Muslim fanatics will not make much of a dent in the way of life Americans are already used to...

 

[CherubRam]

The authorities are not telling the public that the couple were Muslims for national security reasons.
Syed Rizwan Farook, 28, and Tashfeen Malik, 27, his wife or fiancee. At a holiday party, both carried out workplace violence and terrorism.

 

[musterion]

It seems to me that with the amount of weaponry freely available in the States and the consequent high incidence of mass shootings, Muslim fanatics will not make much of a dent in the way of life Americans are already used to...

Most times you're spot on but other times, you're really preciously stupid.

 

[Nick M]

At a holiday [Christmas] party, both carried out workplace violence [jihad] and terrorism.

Fixed it for you. Muslims shoot up a Christmas party. Let that sink in for a minute. The left wants to ban guns, but not the muslims. You liberals are evil wicked people.

 

[ok doser]

i caught just a little of this on the cbc before i left this morning

nary a mention of the mooslim angle

of course, they're expecting a couple thousand syrians flying into toronto next week, so....

 

[jeffblue101]

From Rex's article a quote from Mr. Dear from an online forum.

“Turn to JESUS or burn in hell,” he wrote on one site on Oct. 7, 2005. “WAKE UP SINNERS U CANT SAVE YOURSELF U WILL DIE AN WORMS SHALL EAT YOUR FLESH, NOW YOUR SOUL IS GOING SOMEWHERE.”

Sounds like some of the posters here.

stop lying to yourself, this guy is no way a Christian are you kidding me, did you even the read NYT article.

"By January 1993, she had had enough. In a sworn affidavit as part of her divorce case, Ms. Micheau described Mr. Dear as a serial philanderer and a problem gambler, a man who kicked her, beat her head against the floor and fathered two children with other women while they were together. He found excuses for his transgressions, she said, in his idiosyncratic views on Christian eschatology and the nature of salvation.
“He claims to be a Christian and is extremely evangelistic, but does not follow the Bible in his actions,” Ms. Micheau said in the court document. “He says that as long as he believes he will be saved, he can do whatever he pleases.He is obsessed with the world coming to an end.”
"

this delusional man would get mocked and ridiculed off this forum in heartbeat with his nonsense. Honestly, Alate_One have you ever seen on this forum any individual, literally argue that being a Christian allows you to murder innocent people without consequence?

 

[Nick M]

i caught just a little of this on the cbc before i left this morning

nary a mention of the mooslim angle

of course, they're expecting a couple thousand syrians flying into toronto next week, so....

I went to bed late last night. The CNN news conference with the local law enforcement said there were two known and the third was not known. The third was a Qatar national that rand like hell when law enforcement saw him. Last night he didn't want to jump to a conclusion or guess on him, and that is fair enough for me. That is when I checked out.

The male was born the US, which means nothing. CNN also said "Holiday party", which means Christmas party. If it was Qwanza or something else they would boast of it.

 

[jeffblue101]

where Alate_One fails to mention that the online forum was for legalized pot, where he routinely tried to pick up women.
http://heavy.com/news/2015/11/rober...ts-wife-divorce-girlfriend-social-media-bdsm/

Robert Lewis Dear, the suspect in the shooting at Planned Parenthood in Colorado Springs, appears to have posted religious rants and solicitations for women on the website Cannabis.com, and also had a dating ad at SexyAds.com....

He last posted on Cannabis.com using that profile in January 2006. Neighbors in North Carolina and Colorado have said he lived without electricity and running water in recent years. It’s not known if he continued to post elsewhere, or did not continue to have a presence online.

Most of Dear’s posts on the message board were made in the Spirituality forum. He also posted requests for dates on the South Carolina forum...

Dear wrote that “herb” was created by God, so man’s laws against the drug are against God. He also ranted against women, posting, “god made the woman out of the mans side sorry but womans lib cant change it.”

 

[Nick M]

Time to check the drudgereport to see his social media profile. They will have already done the screen snapshot before Obama orders it sanitized while pretending to look for a motive.

 

[Nick M]

The jihadists father said this of his son;

He was very religious. He would go to work, come back, go to pray, come back. He’s Muslim

 

[Nick M]

Jihadists celebrate San Bernadino military action.

Small sampling of the jihadists and their social media.

Three lions made us proud. They are still alive.

California streets are full with soldiers with heavy weapons. The Unites States is burning #America_Burning #Takbir

God is great and he the one to be praised for that

 

[nikolai_42]

Well, why do you run to that logic with Muslims so readily?

If there is a common thread, it seems to be religious extremism more than any particular sect. At the extremes, there's little difference between Christianity and Islam. They both seem fixated on the notion that the world is about to end, that God is going to do something big, soon, and certain kinds of violence might help this to come about.

To my knowledge, no other well-recognized religion has a semi-official stance that all those not belonging to their faith should be killed. It's only semi-official because while the Koran explicitly tells Muslims to kill unbelievers wherever they are found (as part of their duty to Allah), it is clear that the practical outworking of this is that such activity goes in fits and starts. No other holy book of any major religion has a standing directive to kill the heathen.

And the number of those calling for death to America in Muslim groups (represented by ISIS but not limited to them) is pretty significant. Nearly the entire nation of Iran, for example. To ignore this and not make the connection to Islam is like being in the middle of the Cold War and deciding that the Communists (as a group) really don't want to undermine and destroy America and capitalism. How many Christian groups are calling for "Death to America"? Well, to be fair, one prominent example of something like that does come to mind - a certain pastor the current President was associated with for over 2 decades....

 

[Nick M]

Sheriff Joe says arm yourself. Read the whole story, but he is right. It is the best action. Not only should you arm yourself, take training lessons.

 

[Nazaroo]

Sounds like some of the posters here.

you use a vague plural. (i.e., more than one).

Yet you can't name them.

I can't wait till the Muslims take over and burn your university and its contents.

And after they enslave the women for sex service, you can tell us how wonderful Islam is compared to Christianity.

[/sarcasm]

 

[Nazaroo]

Re Colorado:

“He claims to be a Christian and is extremely evangelistic, but does not follow the Bible in his actions,” Ms. Micheau said in the court document. “He says that as long as he believes he will be saved, he can do whatever he pleases.

See thats Hyper-Calvinism, not Christianity.

 

[serpentdove]

Re Colorado:

“He claims to be a Christian and is extremely evangelistic, but does not follow the Bible in his actions,” Ms. Micheau said in the court document. “He says that as long as he believes he will be saved, he can do whatever he pleases.

See thats Hyper-Calvinism, not Christianity.

That's Honey Badger theology. :dizzy:

 

[Desert Reign]

It seems to me that with the amount of weaponry freely available in the States and the consequent high incidence of mass shootings, Muslim fanatics will not make much of a dent in the way of life Americans are already used to...

Most times you're spot on but other times, you're really preciously stupid.

It was an attempt at black humour. But carry on anyway.

 

[PureX]

To my knowledge, no other well-recognized religion has a semi-official stance that all those not belonging to their faith should be killed. It's only semi-official because while the Koran explicitly tells Muslims to kill unbelievers wherever they are found (as part of their duty to Allah), it is clear that the practical outworking of this is that such activity goes in fits and starts. No other holy book of any major religion has a standing directive to kill the heathen.

And the number of those calling for death to America in Muslim groups (represented by ISIS but not limited to them) is pretty significant. Nearly the entire nation of Iran, for example. To ignore this and not make the connection to Islam is like being in the middle of the Cold War and deciding that the Communists (as a group) really don't want to undermine and destroy America and capitalism. How many Christian groups are calling for "Death to America"? Well, to be fair, one prominent example of something like that does come to mind - a certain pastor the current President was associated with for over 2 decades....

The people of Iran are not calling for death to America. The country used to force it's people to have anti-American rallies in the streets, but they were a political farce. They were forced events by the radical Islamic Leaders, that the general population did not participate in willingly, nor ideologically. And in fact, most of the population of Iran has a very positive inclination toward the U.S. and it's people, even if not so much for our government. This has been proven by countless news documentaries and even video travel shows that have gone into Iran and interviewed the people there. And this has been true of most Islamic nations in the middle east.

You make the classic mistake of assuming that ISIS is representative of all Islam, when in fact ISIS doesn't represent Islam any more than the Heaven's Gate/Jim Jones cults, or the klu klux klan represents Christianity.

The problem is not Islam, nor is it the words in the koran (the Bible has plenty of it's own absurd archaic admonishments to murder). The problem is radical extremism, which can infect Christianity and Judaism just as it infects Islam, as well as other religions. At this current time in history, it seems to have infected Islam to the greater degree. But make no mistake, there are no small number of radical extremist Christians right here in the U.S. that could become deadly at any time given the right conditions.

The problem here is not the religion, it's the radical extremism that infects religious ideology and drives people to violence.

 

[serpentdove]

Someone has already pointed out that there is a Planned Parenthood facility "less than 2 miles away". Already trying to make that connection....

Here's your connection--:CRASH: Islam is a perversion of :straight: Christianity (Ga 5:9, Jn 16:2).

See:

Islam