This argument you have having with reality actually has little to do with death.
Denying reality is usually a symptom of rejecting God. Do you reject God, Stuart?
The things that die or live are foetuses and women, and what a foetus is exactly depends on what term the pregnancy is in.
Is the fetus living/alive or is the fetus not living/alive?
The woman is always a fully living, breathing, loving human being,
A woman is not loving when she kills her own child. That's called murder.
Not living? Ok. I'll keep that in mind.
The death of the woman is a tragedy,
This is not in debate.
the death of the foetus is a statistic.
But you just said that the fetus isn't living. How can something that's not living die? Death implies that something was once living.
And calling the death of a person "a statistic" is inherently dehumanizing.
It is a different matter with a late-term abortion because the ethical argument always should include the possibility that the foetus could become a child
How does something non-living suddenly become a living breathing human being?
that can survive outside the womb.
A baby is a baby regardless of length of existence. From the moment of conception the fetus is a human baby, a person, and the taking of innocent life (because all babies are innocent of sin and crime) is murder.
But while the foetus is reliant on the pregnant woman's body for its survival, she is the only one with any right to make any decisions.
But what about the baby's claim to his own body?
I'll ask you the same thing you asked me, if I were to come to your house, and chop you up and take your body parts out of your house, would that, according to your statement above, not be murder?
You're reliant on your house for your survival, so what's the difference, does the house get to choose whether you get to stay in it?
But anyway, as I say, it's not about stopping foetuses from dying: only a tiny fraction of foetus deaths are due to abortion.
Tell that to the 2.3 babies killed (on average) in abortions every minute.
Tell that to the 137 babies killed in an abortion every hour.
Tell that to the 2900 babies killed in abortions every day.
Tell that to the nearly 57 MILLION babies killed in abortions since 1973.
Calling any death of a person "insignificant" is inherently dehumanizing.
This is really all about the power of the religious to keep people in their places, and especially to keep women in relative poverty and enslavement to their reproductive cycles in a way that suits the males of the religious establishment.
You're starting to sound like a conspiracist, or at least a feminist. Men and women are not equal.
If a woman doesn't want to have a child, then she shouldn't have sex.
If a woman is raped, you don't punish the child for the sins of the father, you punish the father, and love the child.
Even with the most enlightened views and greatest advocacy for the rights of women to decide when and if they have families,
If a woman doesn't want a family, then she shouldn't get married or have sex.
and how they do that in relation to the other goals they set for themselves, there are still problems with equality.
To make everyone equal, you have to take away their freedoms. To make everyone free, you have to reject that everyone is equal (except under the law).
The fascist religionists who try to run everyone else's lives to their poorly thought-out ancient ethical systems, suited as they are to patriarchial control
Yup, definitely a feminist. You've done drank the koolaid, son.
If there is no God, then there is nothing wrong with abortion.
However, since there is a God, abortion is wrong because it's a baby, and it's always wrong to kill a baby because children are made in God's image, and God said "do not kill the innocent."
and denial of the rights of half the population,
No one has the right to kill a baby, no matter how old or young.
need to stop and think about how things would be if it was men getting pregnant
Except that men can't get pregnant, so it's a moot point.
and dying because it was them forced into backstreet abortions in backward countries.
Planned Parenthood supports China's one-child policy. You know what the Chinese government does to women who get pregnant with a second child who don't qualify to have one under that policy? They forcibly take the woman and kill the baby in the womb.
That's a backwards country. It's backwards thinking to think that it's ok for a mother to want to kill her child because the pregnancy is an "inconvenience."
Abortion is wrong everywhere. That is an absolute truth.
You wouldn't be calling it murder of children then: that language would not have ever been taught to you.
Stuart
Making this argument shows how far gone you are from reality.
Reality is that women were made to have children, men were not.
Reality is that abortion is wrong because it's a baby, and it's always wrong to intentionally kill a baby.
Reality is that God says do not kill the innocent, and taking the life of an unborn person violates that command.
