11-year-old Gang-Rape Victim: Should She Be Able To Legally Abort?

[WizardofOz]

Obviously the two Libertarians above know nothing about moral relativism, as being against legislation that requires an 11 year old rape victim to carry the baby to term, is entirely different than legislating laws that give sexual deviants certain rights such as 'marriage'.

Is abortion moral when 11-year-old gang-rape victims get one or isn't it?

And since we're on the topic of embarrassing oneself Aaron, how would voting for a pro abortion Presidential candidate such as Gary Johnson and the pro abortion Libertarian Party Platform that you voted for in the last election (and if Jr. had been out of diapers, stated he would had vote for as well), somehow put a stop to abortion?

My voting for Johnson was as effective as you voting for Romney. That is, not at all.

And how does voting for the Libertarian Party Platform that promotes immoral acts such as homosexuality, pornography and recreational drug use, just to name a few

The LP doesn't promote any of those. Else, you promote blasphemy cigarettes, Klan rallies, the worship of Allah by Muslims and apparently....abortion.

Do you promote abortion?

make you some kind of Godly person that is able to judge someone who has the best interest of society and in this case an 11 year old girl who was traumatized by 20 filthy ragheads and very well might take her own life if told she had to carry the baby to term?

Inquiring minds need to know.

How about the best interest of the unborn?

If an adult female claims that she will take her own life unless granted an abortion, is her abortion then moral?

 

[Doormat]

WOW

I am really impressed with TOL here

73% said NO

I wonder what the % would be nationwide in a non theological seting?

From: Prevalence of abortion among Christians

In 2011, the Guttmacher Institute reported that two out of three women having abortions in the U.S. identified as Christian.[71] The same report said that of all U.S. abortions, 37% were undertaken by women who identified as Protestant, and 28% were Catholic.[71] The number of abortions performed on U.S. Catholic women is about the same per capita as the average in the general U.S. population; in the 2000s, Catholic women were 29% more likely to have an abortion than Protestant women.[39] A 1996 study found that one out of five U.S. abortions was performed on a woman who was born-again or evangelical Christian.[72]​

You may be able to discern an answer from that.

 

[aCultureWarrior]

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Obviously the two Libertarians above know nothing about moral relativism, as being against legislation that requires an 11 year old rape victim to carry the baby to term, is entirely different than legislating laws that give sexual deviants certain rights such as 'marriage'.

Is abortion moral when 11-year-old gang-rape victims get one or isn't it?

Life should always be encouraged, something that the Godless Libertarian Party Platform that you voted for in the last election doesn't believe, as they're for legalizing suicide as well.


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And since we're on the topic of embarrassing oneself Aaron, how would voting for a pro abortion Presidential candidate such as Gary Johnson and the pro abortion Libertarian Party Platform that you voted for in the last election (and if Jr. had been out of diapers, stated he would had vote for as well), somehow put a stop to abortion?

My voting for Johnson was as effective as you voting for Romney. That is, not at all.

Yet (as I shown in another thread with posts from the pro abortion group NARAL) your candidate and political party platform were pro abortion, while the candidate and political party platform that I voted for were pro life. Would you like for me to pull up those NARAL links again Aaron?

And as you mentioned in the same post: Roe v Wade wouldn't most likely be overturned without SCOTUS. Would Gary Johnson have apppointed pro life SCOTUS Judges, cuz Mitt Romney and his pro life VP Paul Ryan said that they would have.


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And how does voting for the Libertarian Party Platform that promotes immoral acts such as homosexuality, pornography and recreational drug use, just to name a few put a stop to abortion?

The LP doesn't promote any of those. Else, you promote blasphemy cigarettes, Klan rallies, the worship of Allah by Muslims and apparently....abortion.

Do you promote abortion?

(I see that the nutcase Libertarian has now added the Klan and Mussies to his blasphemy/cigarette rant).

So what you're saying here Aaron is that a candidate such as Gary Johnson, who represents the Libertarian Party, which is on the ballot in most states, had no intention of legislating things that were on the LP Party platform? If so, what would be the reason for running for office in the first place if it didn't mean having an influence on legislation?

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...make you some kind of Godly person that is able to judge someone who has the best interest of society and in this case an 11 year old girl who was traumatized by 20 filthy ragheads and very well might take her own life if told she had to carry the baby to term?

Inquiring minds need to know.

How about the best interest of the unborn?

So aside for voting for a pro abortion candidate and a pro abortion political party, who would legislate pro abortion laws if elected, in your own little imaginary world, you would require that 11 year old girl who was BRUTALLY raped by 20 filthy barbarian ragheads to carry the baby to term even if it meant her killing herself and hence the baby?

I believe there is a term for that Aaron:

"Double murderer".

Yup.

 

[Christian Liberty]

Abortion, for better or worse, wasn't the issue to die on this election. The entire country is dying of our immoral foreign policy, the Federal Reserve, and an ever encroaching surveilance state. That said, Johnson was willing to leave abortion to the states, and as such, was as "pro-life" as someone in the White House needs to be. At that point, its up to the state legislatures to do their jobs.

Johnson did NOT support Roe v Wade like Obama does.

 

[aCultureWarrior]

Abortion, for better or worse, wasn't the issue to die on this election. The entire country is dying of our immoral foreign policy, the Federal Reserve, and an ever encroaching surveilance state.

I read Libertarian, so allow me to interpret:

"Who cares about 1,200,000 unborn babies that are killed in the womb yearly, we should be talking about money!"

 

[WizardofOz]

Life should always be encouraged

Not what I asked. You want the abortion to be a legal option. Therefore, you approve of abortion.

Right?

Is abortion moral when 11-year-old gang-rape victims get one or isn't it?

Yet (as I shown in another thread with posts from the pro abortion group NARAL) your candidate and political party platform were pro abortion, while the candidate and political party platform that I voted for were pro life. Would you like for me to pull up those NARAL links again Aaron?

And your candidate is a "homosexualist" - your words. Does that make you a homosexualist?

The candidate I supported wasn't on the ballot.

And as you mentioned in the same post: Roe v Wade wouldn't most likely be overturned without SCOTUS. Would Gary Johnson have apppointed pro life SCOTUS Judges, cuz Mitt Romney and his pro life VP Paul Ryan said that they would have.

Already answered in another thread. Yes, he would have; Judge Napolitano.

Do you have a problem with him?

(I see that the nutcase Libertarian has now added the Klan and Mussies to his blasphemy/cigarette rant).

Do you want Klan rallies criminalized? If not, you approve of Klan rallies.

Right?

you would require that 11 year old girl who was BRUTALLY raped by 20 filthy barbarian ragheads to carry the baby to term even if it meant her killing herself and hence the baby?

I believe there is a term for that Aaron:

"Double murderer".

Yup.

:doh: Wow. You're really stretching.

Ready to answer my question now, dodger?

If an adult female claims that she will take her own life unless granted an abortion, is her abortion then moral?

Should abortion be a legal option for a suicidal adult female? If you denied her and she killed herself and her baby, are you a double murderer?

 

[Christian Liberty]

I read Libertarian, so allow me to interpret:

"Who cares about 1,200,000 unborn babies that are killed in the womb yearly, we should be talking about money!"

No, that's an incorrect interpretation entirely.

I care about the entire freaking country being destroyed.

Is it really better that those babies live, and everyone in the country be made slaves?

Because those are the kinds of people you support.

The only way abortion will ever be fought in this country is education, state level nullifcation or vigilantism. Make of that what you will. Anything else is a waste of time.

 

[oldhermit]

=WizardofOz;3548637]If an adult female claims that she will take her own life unless granted an abortion, is her abortion then moral?

NO!

 

[Thunder's Muse]

I almost cannot believe I'm saying this but I agree with aCW on this one.

If my daughter, was laying in a bed...bashed, humiliated, traumatised after being gang raped...I just don't think I could make her go through with a pregnancy as well. My heart would be breaking, don't get me wrong...but I just couldn't do it to her. I just couldn't.

 

[Christian Liberty]

Yes, he would have; Judge Napolitano.

Did Gary say he would support Napolitano?

Do you have a problem with him?

Of course he does, because gay marriage is more important to him than abortion, and Napolitano supports gay marriage (One of the areas I disagree with him, but he's solid everywhere else so I support him anyway.)

 

[WizardofOz]

I read Libertarian, so allow me to interpret:

"Who cares about 1,200,000 unborn babies that are killed in the womb yearly, we should be talking about money!"

Would less babies be dying had your man, Romney, been elected?

 

[WizardofOz]

I almost cannot believe I'm saying this but I agree with aCW on this one.

If my daughter, was laying in a bed...bashed, humiliated, traumatised after being gang raped...I just don't think I could make her go through with a pregnancy as well. My heart would be breaking, don't get me wrong...but I just couldn't do it to her. I just couldn't.

Would it make a difference if she were 11 or 21 or is age irrelevant given the other circumstance?

 

[aCultureWarrior]

Not what I asked. You want the abortion to be a legal option. Therefore, you approve of abortion.

While I always ENCOURAGE life, be it through my blogging or the political party platform that I vote for, if the life of the innocent little 11 year old girl who was BRUTALLY raped by 20 filthy raghead barbarians was at stake, I am for allowing laws to take her life into consideration first.

On that note:

You're not only a verifiable nutcase, your hypocrisy is sickening Aaron. You blog and vote for a death style, yet pretend you care about life (but you're still my 2nd bestest friend in the whoooole wide world).

If anyone who is a Christian and voted for a viable pro life candidate and party platform would like to come forward and debate me one on one on this particular issue, please PM and and we'll set up a debate.

 

[WizardofOz]

Did Gary say he would support Napolitano?

Gary Johnson on Twitter: If #Romney is elected, says he would give us #SCOTUS Justices like John Roberts. I will give us Justices like @Judgenap.

However, let's not let aCW derail this thread so he can deflect from the OP topic, moral relativism and approval of abortion (by his standard)

 

[aCultureWarrior]

I almost cannot believe I'm saying this but I agree with aCW on this one.

If my daughter, was laying in a bed...bashed, humiliated, traumatised after being gang raped...I just don't think I could make her go through with a pregnancy as well. My heart would be breaking, don't get me wrong...but I just couldn't do it to her. I just couldn't.

I was hoping that some women would come forward and give their perspective.

I would hope that through love and encouragement that you, like my wife and I would do, would hope that your daughter would carry the baby to term, but not FORCE her via a law.

Thanks.

 

[oldhermit]

I almost cannot believe I'm saying this but I agree with aCW on this one.

If my daughter, was laying in a bed...bashed, humiliated, traumatised after being gang raped...I just don't think I could make her go through with a pregnancy as well. My heart would be breaking, don't get me wrong...but I just couldn't do it to her. I just couldn't.

It is very easy when the extreme case becomes personal to abandon divine principle. I know from person experience. I have children too but, emotion should never be allowed to overturn moral judgment that is rooted in the revealed standard.

 

[Thunder's Muse]

Would it make a difference if she were 11 or 21 or is age irrelevant given the other circumstance?

If she was younger, I think it would have a different impact on me. Not sure why, it just does.

If she was older, it would of course be her decision and I would support her no matter what direction she wanted to go.

But a child....it's my job to protect her, to make those types of decisions for her. I think it would be an added trauma that someone so young just isn't meant to experience....the enormity of pregnancy would just be too much to get her little mind around, especially after how it was conceived.

 

[WizardofOz]

While I always ENCOURAGE life, be it through my blogging or the political party platform that I vote for, if the life of the innocent little 11 year old girl who was BRUTALLY raped by 20 filthy raghead barbarians was at stake, I am for allowing laws to take her life into consideration first.

According to you:
Legalization = approval

If you feel some abortion should be legal, you approve of some abortion.

Do you approve of abortion?

 

[aCultureWarrior]

According to you:
Legalization = approval

If you feel some abortion should be legal, you approve of some abortion.

Do you approve of abortion?

I thought I made myself clear Aaron. I am NOT for a blanketed abortion policy where the mother's life isn't taken into consideration.

Being that the US has never legislated your proposal before, even when the US was adamantly pro life, I have no fear of nutcases like you passing something like that.

And yes, if I had voted for legalizing homosexual marriage and dope in the latest Washington State election, I would have been voting to "approve" of those behaviors.

Life isn't that complicated Aaron, look past the ash at the tip of that doobie you're smoking and think clearly son.

 

[WizardofOz]

I thought I made myself clear Aaron. I am NOT for a blanketed abortion policy where the mother's life isn't taken into consideration.

I'll repeat one of the many questions you're dodging: If an adult female claims that she will take her own life unless granted an abortion, is her abortion then moral?

Should legislation block her from legally obtaining one?

Being that the US has never legislated your proposal before, even when the US was adamantly pro life, I have no fear of nutcases like you passing something like that.

Completely irrelevant. Homosexuality isn't going to be criminalized but it doesn't stop your incessant yapping over it.

You heard it here, aCW refers to pro-life legislation being passed by "nut cases".

And yes, if I had voted for legalizing homosexual marriage and dope in the latest Washington State election, I would have been voting to "approve" of those behaviors.

And if you support legal abortion, your approve of abortion.

Right?