11-year-old Gang-Rape Victim: Should She Be Able To Legally Abort?

[I drank what?]

do 2 wrongs make a right?

 

[kiwimacahau]

Yes, she should be able to.

 

[genuineoriginal]

Yes, she should be able to.

Why are you claiming that an 11 year old should be able to legally murder her own child before the child is born?

 

[kiwimacahau]

Why are you claiming that an 11 year old should be able to legally murder her own child before the child is born?

1: Murder refers to illegal taking of a human life, abortion is not illegal in Sweden thus it is not murder.
2: At the early stage of pregnancy, this is simply a blob of semi-differentiated cells.
3: Your willingness to further punish this child by forcing her to carry to term after an act of violence is simply unacceptable to a supposedly moral being.

 

[genuineoriginal]

Amnesty International opposes the death penalty

Amnesty International opposes the death penalty in all cases without exception regardless of the nature of the crime, the characteristics of the offender, or the method used by the state to kill the prisoner.

unless it is an innocent unborn child that is being put to death for the father's crime

On 21 April the 10-year-old girl was taken to the hospital by her mother after her complaints of stomach aches. On examination, a 21-week pregnancy was established. The girl’s pregnancy is the result of having been raped by her stepfather.

Please tell the authorities in Paraguay to save the life of this young girl who is in grave danger. Demand that they ensure her access to a safe abortion without delay!

 

[genuineoriginal]

1: Murder refers to illegal taking of a human life, abortion is not illegal in Sweden thus it is not murder.

Taking the life of an innocent human is still murder, even if there is a law claiming you can do it.

2: At the early stage of pregnancy, this is simply a blob of semi-differentiated cells.

By the time a pregnancy can be identified, the child is no longer a blob of semi-differentiated cells.

3: Your willingness to further punish this child by forcing her to carry to term after an act of violence is simply unacceptable to a supposedly moral being.

Your willingness to callously murder an innocent child is simply unacceptable to anyone with any shred of decency.

 

[WizardofOz]

1: Murder refers to illegal taking of a human life, abortion is not illegal in Sweden thus it is not murder.
2: At the early stage of pregnancy, this is simply a blob of semi-differentiated cells

How about the 10-year-old from Paraguay who is 5 months pregnant?

3: Your willingness to further punish this child by forcing her to carry to term after an act of violence is simply unacceptable to a supposedly moral being.

How old must she be before you wouldn't want to see an abortion take place?

 

[kiwimacahau]

It depends entirely on circumstances.

 

[WizardofOz]

It depends entirely on circumstances.

Rather specific circumstance

Thoughts? Should she abort?

 

[kiwimacahau]

Yes.

 

[WizardofOz]

Yes.

Why should she? Her life isn't at risk.

Why bring up the "clump of cells" rationalization if you'd still have her abort a 5-month-old fetus?

Red herring perhaps?

 

[kiwimacahau]

Really? A ten year old carrying a foetus to term is not putting her health at risk? Moreover why would you make a woman of any age carry her rapist's child to term? Why is the foetus of greater importance than the health of the child?

 

[WizardofOz]

Really? A ten year old carrying a foetus to term is not putting her health at risk? Moreover why would you make a woman of any age carry her rapist's child to term? Why is the foetus of greater importance than the health of the child?

You didn't watch the rather short video. The girl is getting regular checkups and there is no risk to her life. Girls that age can and do give birth. The assault already occurred and an abortion isn't going to erase this.

False dichotomy with the "greater importance" bit. In pregnancy, there are two patients of equal importance. Value them both. You place no value on the unborn at all. This is not an equitable approach.

 

[kiwimacahau]

The foetus is a potential person, the mother an actual one. I default to protecting the actual human being and will every time.

 

[WizardofOz]

Typical pro-choice semantics

Typical pro-choice semantics

The foetus is a potential person, the mother an actual one.

If a woman doesn't realize she's pregnant until 8 months of pregnancy, should abortion be a legal option?

What is a "person"?

I default to protecting the actual human being and will every time.

If a human fetus isn't a human, what is it?

Is a human zygote a human?

Your entire argument here hinges on philosophical and subjective semantics.

Should any and all abortion be legal? Where do you draw a line if you do at all?

 

[kiwimacahau]

A zygote is a potential human being, just as a foetus is. It becomes an actual human being on birth. Late-term abortions are mostly medically mandated because either the foetus is malformed or unlikely to be viable or the mother's health is in serious danger.

 

[WizardofOz]

A zygote is a potential human being, just as a foetus is. It becomes an actual human being on birth.

Philosophical gobblygook. How about biological fact? Human development begins at conception.

Late-term abortions are mostly medically mandated because either the foetus is malformed or unlikely to be viable or the mother's health is in serious danger.

Do you oppose abortion in all other cases?

I would appreciate if you would address my questions:

If a woman doesn't realize she's pregnant until 8 months of pregnancy, should abortion be a legal option?

Should any and all abortion be legal? Where do you draw a line if you do at all?

:e4e:

 

[kiwimacahau]

Abortion is legal and should remain so. Whether or not you like my view on abortion it is no more gobbledegook than yours. Human life may well begin at conception but the zygote / foetus is not more valuable than the mother.

 

[Granite]

I'm increasingly uncomfortable placing a rape victim in yet another situation where she has no choice to make.

 

[genuineoriginal]

I guess it is all comes down to which words you use.

The baby is either an unborn human child or an undifferentiated blob of cells.

Abortion is either the deliberate act of terminating an unborn human child's life or it is merely a choice that can be made, like whether to eat eggs and bacon for breakfast or robbing a convenience store instead.