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There were laws against negligent homicide. I was referring to pure accidents, where it was unforeseen that any harm could take place.
11-year-old Gang-Rape Victim: Should She Be Able To Legally Abort?
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Arsenios
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Roe v Wade ruled exactly on this issue against the unborn child...
They ruled that a fetus is not a person, and hence all the fetal experimentation in growing body parts and genetic engineering, and of course, outright killing of the fetus... That was embedded in the ratio of the case, and no scientific evidence ever was brought forth to establish the existence of a person in the womb of the mother... It just kind of slid in there unopposed, and the abortionists won without having to prove their case, while the champions of the unborn lost their case because they failed to recognize the cruciality of proving the personhood of the unborn child, even at conception...
So that against your view, the truth is that the Law of the United States of America as understood in the Roe v Wade decision of the US Supreme Court is that a fetus is not a person... THAT is why it is such a disaster for the legal defense of the unborn...
Arsenios
Don't they say America is founded by Christians?
Doormat
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I quoted their decision in my post. Perhaps you didn't understand what I wrote or perhaps don't understand how the law in the United States works. It should be sufficient for me to point out there are Federal and States laws regarding fetal homicide. Those laws completely undermine the Roe decision (according to the Roe decision) and make abortion de facto murder. You need to understand that according to United States law (Marbury v. Madison) a law can be void even if a court has not yet ruled the law void. Abortion is being committed under color of law but isn't really a lawful act.
Doormat
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Abortion was legalized in part due to the efforts of the Southern Baptist convention and other "Christian" groups, and Roe was decided by "Christian" judges.
Here is the Southern Baptist Convention resolution on abortion from 1971:
Be it further RESOLVED, That we call upon Southern Baptists to work for legislation that will allow the possibility of abortion under such conditions as rape, incest, clear evidence of severe fetal deformity, and carefully ascertained evidence of the likelihood of damage to the emotional, mental, and physical health of the mother
The attorney who filed the initial lawsuit in Roe v. Wade was a Southern Baptist and member of Park Cities Baptist Church in Dallas.
WizardofOz
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She's not 11, she's 10. She wasn't gang raped but was impregnated by her step father. Groups demand she abort but her life isn't at risk so in Paraguay, she cannot legally obtain one. The video claims that a lot of girls between the age of 10-14 who are assaulted give birth. Why demand abortion if the child can live?
The girl is 5 months pregnant. As tragic as it is, wouldn't killing a developing human only add to the tragedy?
Group presses to allow abortion for raped 10-year-old
The girl is 5 months pregnant. As tragic as it is, wouldn't killing a developing human only add to the tragedy?
Group presses to allow abortion for raped 10-year-old
WizardofOz
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What's the mortality rate on 11-year olds giving birth? Watch the video linked in my above post, "The video claims that a lot of girls between the age of 10-14 who are assaulted give birth."
The girl mentioned in that video is 10, 5 months pregnant and receiving regular medical care. The health minister in the video claims her pregnancy is normal and that her life is not in danger.
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WizardofOz
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Bump on the 5 months pregnant 10-year-old in Paraguay. Should she abort even though her life is not in danger? :think:
For someone who adamantly denies that he is a Libertarian, you act like you know a lot about the ideology and political movement that uses that ideology for the basis of civil laws.
Unfortunately you don't.
The reason the vast majority of those who are honest enough to acknowledge that they're of the Libertarian mindset are pro abortion/anti traditional values comes down to one thing:
Who "owns" us?
Under Judeo-Christian doctrine man is made in God's Image and the laws that are legislated were designed to seek God's approval.
Under the secular humanist doctrine of Libertarianism, man has full "ownership" over his or her body, and can do as he or she pleases, be it murdering himself through recreational drug use or homosexuality, or murdering an unborn child.
"As Libertarians, we seek a world of liberty; a world in which all individuals are sovereign over their own lives and no one is forced to sacrifice his or her values for the benefit of others."
http://www.lp.org/platform
If you truly want to become pro life Aaron, you'll need to quit identifying with a death cult and accept God's Word as the Absolute Truth.
WizardofOz
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Connie, why the heck would I lie about being one if I were?
:sozo: I am not, nor have I ever been, a Libertarian.
Why I have to tell you this dozens of times is telling. Are you dense or dishonest?
That's funny since you're pro-choice in the case of a raped 11-year-old and I'm not. Do you think God would want her to abort? :think:
If you want to become pro-life, Connie, you need to quit rationalizing when a baby should be aborted.
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WizardofOz
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See the video linked above. Numerous 10-14 year old girls give birth each year in Paraguay.
I don't think the age justifies abortion. As tragic as these girls being preyed upon is, their body is able to deliver a healthy baby.
Even though you seem to know quite a bit about Libertarianism and defend the tiny minority of those Libertarians who fraudulently call themselves "pro life", you have no idea how relieved I am that you don't identify with an ideology and political movement that promotes and adamantly defends all kinds of perversion and destructive behaviors.
Even though you're not a Libertarian and don't identify with the death cult ideology and movement that Libertarianism is, need I remind you that you voted for a pro abortion Libertarian candidate who ran on the pro abortion Libertarian Party Platform in the last Presidential election?
1.5 Abortion
Recognizing that abortion is a sensitive issue and that people can hold good-faith views on all sides, we believe that government should be kept out of the matter, leaving the question to each person for their conscientious consideration.
http://www.lp.org/platform
Need I also remind you that I'm only for abortion if the mother's life is endanger, and that every country on the face of this earth (except for one I believe), allows that provision in their laws because they are of the mindset that two dead humans instead of one isn't a good thing.
On that note Aaron: Have a wonderful non Libertarian day.
WizardofOz
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I've told you this for years. How disingenuous can you possibly be?
Again, dense or dishonest?
:yawn: This is your fall back schtick every time you paint yourself into a corner, isn't it? You really are a broken record.
Tell me how voting for McCain or Romney would lead to less abortions?
Inquiring minds needsta know [/conniespeak]
Need I also remind you that I'm only for abortion if the mother's life is endanger, and that every country on the face of this earth (except for one I believe), allows that provision in their laws because they are of the mindset that two dead humans instead of one isn't a good thing.
On that note Aaron: Have a wonderful non Libertarian day.
Should the 10-year-old in Paraguay abort, Connie?
After all, "God (does) justify abortion in some rare circumstances".
Right?
Reread what I wrote Aaron. I am pleased more than Ron Paul is when he gets a new shipment of dope or pornography in that you don't identify with the God-hating moral degenerate Libertarian movement and it's ideology.
Need I remind you again that every major pro life organization backed Mitt Romney for President, therefore they must have had hope that unlike the demon that you helped elect (by voting 3rd Party) that he and the pro life Republican Party would do something about the precious lives of the unborn that are being aborted at the (surgical) rate of 1.2 million a year.
What part of only if the mother's life is endangered do you not understand Aaron?
I think in order for you to understand God you'd first have to believe in Him Aaron.
One question before you go on about your façade of being pro life:
Are two dead innocent human lives better than one?
This is exactly the type of reasoning and assumptions that pro-abortion advocates use.
Careful ... your selective morality is showing ...
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Originally Posted by aCultureWarrior
What part of only if the mother's life is endangered do you not understand Aaron?
I think in order for you to understand God you'd first have to believe in Him Aaron.
One question before you go on about your façade of being pro life:
Are two dead innocent human lives better than one?
I normally don't have conversations on pro life topics with someone who helped vote in the most pro abortion President in US history, who ran on a political party platform that allows abortion on demand Sandy, but since Aaron is pretending to be pro life and I chatted with him, I should do the same for you.
In the rare rare case where qualified medical professionals confirm that the pregnant woman (or child) will die if she continues with the pregnancy, which is compassionate and which is barbaric Sandy:
Allowing an abortion so that the mother can live and bring other precious children into the world later in life, or denying an abortion where both the pregnant mother and her child in the womb die?
Originally Posted by aCultureWarrior
What part of only if the mother's life is endangered do you not understand Aaron?
I think in order for you to understand God you'd first have to believe in Him Aaron.
One question before you go on about your façade of being pro life:
Are two dead innocent human lives better than one?
I normally don't have conversations on pro life topics with someone who helped vote in the most pro abortion President in US history, who ran on a political party platform that allows abortion on demand Sandy, but since Aaron is pretending to be pro life and I chatted with him, I should do the same for you.
In the rare rare case where qualified medical professionals confirm that the pregnant woman (or child) will die if she continues with the pregnancy, which is compassionate and which is barbaric Sandy:
Allowing an abortion so that the mother can live and bring other precious children into the world later in life, or denying an abortion where both the pregnant mother and her child in the womb die?
This is quite simple. Really. Either abortion is the intentional act of killing an unborn baby or it isn't. Which is it?
WizardofOz
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Any update to this story anywhere? Did she abort? Did this ever happen or was the story made up from the start?
WizardofOz
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I'll quote this next time you suggest that I am a Libertarian. You are dishonest. It's only a matter of time :juggle:
Yeah? Like what? What were they going to do? Be specific...
What evidence do you have that it was?
Did you read that at gotquestions.org? :dunce:
Was her life in peril due to the pregnancy?
One question for you "before you go on about" yours: does God justify some abortion?