10 things I'm right about, whether you agree or not.

[godrulz]

I'm sorry you still struggle with your sin. Christ set me free, so I no longer have to struggle. If I sin, I am not condemned. I am forgiven. And knowing that, I no longer fight myself about it. I merely revel in the freedom He gave me.

Sounds like grace as license to sin. Sounds like you have failed with a struggle with sin, so you rationalize or euphemize it away, instead of responding to the Spirit's conviction with repentance and renewed obedience (Heb. 12). There is a difference between struggling with temptation and giving into it and saying all is well because you do not think you are condemned or are forgiven in advance regardless whether you persist in fleshly sin or not. To be set free from it means not being a slave to it, not just searing one's conscience and denying that it matters anymore. Paul clearly dealt with sin, but it was not by repeating a mantra of 'que sera sera, we are all forgiven no matter how much we sin'.

 

[godrulz]

You're an idiot. I do not have to try not to sin, because I know the freedom I have in Christ, from sin. So when the opportunity arises, I can walk away without ever struggling over it. And I often do. I do not revel in sin, I revel in freedom from sin. I recognize the freedom He gave me, and walk in it. In Him there is no try, there is only do.

Do or do not! There is no try! (something like that said by Jedi Master Yoda in Star Wars when Luke was trying to lift a ship out of the swamp). Winkie Pratney used to use it when talking about sin and salvation issues.

You often walk away, but not always? Do also implies choice and obedience. Are you coming over to my dark side (which is actually light)?

 

[godrulz]

My father is no longer a homo, you filthy son of Hell.


What happens when I do sin? Well, I sin. And I find myself bored with it. And that's because I am not a slave to sin. So I stop.

I....volition...obedience/disobedience...your reality illustrates my beliefs. Watch out lest mystery says you are going to hell.

 

[godrulz]

Nope.


3 days? More like an hour. I usually get bored in about an hour or less, if I do sin.

Right now I am on the internet, in my home. I could go find some free porn. I even have LimeWire, so I could download it. But I'm not, because I actually don't want to. Before I recognized my freedom, I would have wanted to. And I would have fought myself over it. But now, no struggle. Because I really have no desire to.

Of course, porn isn't the only sin. But it's the one I had the biggest issue with before I recognized my freedom.

You have always had freedom, but you did not always walk in it. You may be free most of the time, but you could have a lapse and fall into temptation. More godly men than us have fallen (Lucifer and Adam had big falls). Job made a covenant with his eyes to not look lustfully at a woman. This involved a choice. There are practical things one can do to avoid temptation. Jesus said to pluck out an eye if it causes lust or cut off a hand. You can know and read about and walk in freedom, but this does not preclude the possibility of falling. If a naked model walked in my room, I would have a hard time to staring. I would run and flee because I know I could not handle it. God promises a way of escape. David did not have to look, lust, sleep, and kill. These were all volitional things. He caved, but other men of God did not, yet they read the same truths from Scripture.

Rom. 6-8 does not divorce walking in the Spirit vs flesh from obedience or yielding to temptation. We overcome based on Christ's work and the indwelling Spirit, but our mind and will as some role. This is why we are blameworthy and responsible if we sin. It is why the Spirit comes with conviction, not a pious platitude that gives us license to keep sinning while chanting, "I'm forgiven whether I stop sinning or not'.

There you go mystery, practical principles from Scripture that will further convince you I am going to hell....with LH apparently.

 

[godrulz]

I don't struggle with myself over it. It's that simple.

I thought you used to say you do not sin because you are spirit and in Christ and Christ does not sin. It is actually your flesh that sins, whatever that means (making you not responsible, so might as well let the flesh have fun Friday, but stay in the background on Sunday?).

 

[godrulz]

Yes. But I realize that there is no reason to go to porn to relieve boredom, because it doesn't. Sin profits me nothing. So there is absolutely no valid reason to do it. But sometimes my flesh wants to, and I do. But it always ends in nothing worth anything.

There is pleasure in sin for a season, but the end thereof is death. Lust and pigging out or gossiping can seem fun, but it is wrong. Beautiful women and sex are pleasurable, but wrong outside God's parameters meant for maximum pleasure and protection. Sometimes church is boring and sin is fun. The issue is God's holiness more than our subjective relationship to things.

 

[godrulz]

God sees me through His Son. He doesn't see my sin.

This sounds like a bumper sticker like Christians aren't perfect, just forgiven.

God does see us through the Son, but that does not make Him blind. He judged sin in the Church or Israel, which He would not have done if He was deaf, dumb, blind, or had a case of amnesia. God is holy, not a stone idol that can be mocked. Judgment begins with the house of God; how much more will the world be judged outside of Christ.

 

[godrulz]

Uh? Ummm... no. When was I arrested?

Have you been to Floyd McClung's fellowship in my neighborhood? How do you know where I live?

If Floyd is saved, I am saved. If I am not, he is not. When did he leave Amsterdam or are you in Holland.

 

[godrulz]

We can certainly stray in our walk, but we are still His, still sealed, no matter what.

Godless unbelief is the antithesis of faith in Christ. OSAS (unconditional vs conditional eternal security) is Calvinistic, not biblical.

 

[Ask Mr. Religion]

Godless unbelief is the antithesis of faith in Christ. OSAS (unconditional vs conditional eternal security) is Calvinistic, not biblical.

You do realize that Augustine formulated OSAS a thousand or so years before Calvin, don't you? More of your usual uninformed Calvinism rhetoric?

Give me a nickel. Again.

 

[godrulz]

You do realize that Augustine formulated OSAS a thousand or so years before Calvin, don't you? More of your usual uninformed Calvinism rhetoric?

Give me a nickel. Again.

There seems to be some ambiguity with Augustine. When I say Calvinism, I also include its Augustinian roots. When I say Open Theism, I do not deny the influence of Pinnock, Sanders, Boyd, etc. When I say Calvinism, it includes more figures than Calvin himself (I don't think Calvin was a 5-pointer).

______Dollar__________here, here, and there__________penny_________

 

[noguru]

There DOESN'T have to be a struggle. Ask Jeffrey Dahmer or John Wayne Gacy. I just want to understand why you don't struggle.

Dahmer use to consume large quantities of alcohol before his crimes, so that he could numb himself from his own empathy.

People who commit crimes against others and are free of remorse are considered sociopaths. This means that they lack the empathy that would make them feel remorse. This may not be a disease but it definitely is a disorder.

 

[ColoSkier]

Nope. We are free from sin. It is no longer a struggle.

I didn't understand this one. Could you elaborate? Thanks.

 

[johncalvinhall]

I'm sorry you still struggle with your sin. Christ set me free, so I no longer have to struggle. If I sin, I am not condemned. I am forgiven. And knowing that, I no longer fight myself about it. I merely revel in the freedom He gave me.

As a blood-bought child of the Living God, I am saved from the PENALTY of sin.
God is working in my life to free me from the POWER of sin,
and one day, when I am finally home in Glory, I will be free from the PRESENCE of sin!

This is Sanctification.

(1 John 1:8) If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us.

Romans 7:14-25
(14) For we know that the law is spiritual: but I am carnal, sold under sin.
(15) For that which I do I allow not: for what I would, that do I not; but what I hate, that do I.
(16) If then I do that which I would not, I consent unto the law that it is good.
(17) Now then it is no more I that do it, but sin that dwelleth in me.
(18) For I know that in me (that is, in my flesh,) dwelleth no good thing: for to will is present with me; but how to perform that which is good I find not.
(19) For the good that I would I do not: but the evil which I would not, that I do.
(20) Now if I do that I would not, it is no more I that do it, but sin that dwelleth in me.
(21) I find then a law, that, when I would do good, evil is present with me.
(22) For I delight in the law of God after the inward man:
(23) But I see another law in my members, warring against the law of my mind, and bringing me into captivity to the law of sin which is in my members.
(24) O wretched man that I am! who shall deliver me from the body of this death?
(25) I thank God through Jesus Christ our Lord. So then with the mind I myself serve the law of God; but with the flesh the law of sin.

Anyone that claims to no longer sin is deceived.

 

[Mystery]

As a blood-bought child of the Living God, I am saved from the PENALTY of sin.
God is working in my life to free me from the POWER of sin,
and one day, when I am finally home in Glory, I will be free from the PRESENCE of sin!

This is Sanctification.

(1 John 1:8) If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us.

Romans 7:14-25
(14) For we know that the law is spiritual: but I am carnal, sold under sin.
(15) For that which I do I allow not: for what I would, that do I not; but what I hate, that do I.
(16) If then I do that which I would not, I consent unto the law that it is good.
(17) Now then it is no more I that do it, but sin that dwelleth in me.
(18) For I know that in me (that is, in my flesh,) dwelleth no good thing: for to will is present with me; but how to perform that which is good I find not.
(19) For the good that I would I do not: but the evil which I would not, that I do.
(20) Now if I do that I would not, it is no more I that do it, but sin that dwelleth in me.
(21) I find then a law, that, when I would do good, evil is present with me.
(22) For I delight in the law of God after the inward man:
(23) But I see another law in my members, warring against the law of my mind, and bringing me into captivity to the law of sin which is in my members.
(24) O wretched man that I am! who shall deliver me from the body of this death?
(25) I thank God through Jesus Christ our Lord. So then with the mind I myself serve the law of God; but with the flesh the law of sin.

Anyone that claims to no longer sin is deceived.

Anyone who claims that they are still in bondage to sin, a prisoner of sin, and a wretched man looking to be set free from the law of sin and death, has never been saved.

Learn to exegete the passages before you attempt to teach them.

 

[ColoSkier]

Anyone who claims that they are still in bondage to sin, a prisoner of sin, and a wretched man looking to be set free from the law of sin and death, has never been saved.

Learn to exegete the passages before you attempt to teach them.

Isn't exegete a noun, not a verb? So wouldn't, "I encourage you to be an exegete of the passages before you teach them, brother." Be more appropriate (and even show a little encouragement toward a fellow believer rather than a misplaced judgement?)

 

[Mystery]

Isn't exegete a noun, not a verb? So wouldn't, "I encourage you to be an exegete of the passages before you teach them, brother." Be more appropriate (and even show a little encouragement toward a fellow believer rather than a misplaced judgement?)

Exegesis is also a noun, so what word do you suggest we use when we are telling someone to critically interpret the text?

Why should I encourage someone for misrepresenting what the bible teaches?

 

[ColoSkier]

Yes, I know it's a noun, that's why I mentioned it. Your liberal verbalization of the word is okay, I just don't think that's the correct use of the word at all.

Teaching and correcting are two things taught in the Bible...you seem to misrespresent the word quite a bit and don't seem to be responding to encouragement or correction (even when an admin requests it).

But a "please critically interpret the text" sounds fine and dandy. What he states does not misinterpret the Bible...you may have differing thoughts and beliefs, which you are encouraged to share. But while you hold such a condescending attitude, I'm not sure you can be taken seriously as a good interpreter of the Word.

johncalvin claimed he's not in bondage to sin nor is he a prisoner to it. Could you please list the scriptures where you feel he is wrong.

 

[FreshAir]

As a blood-bought child of the Living God, I am saved from the PENALTY of sin.
God is working in my life to free me from the POWER of sin,
and one day, when I am finally home in Glory, I will be free from the PRESENCE of sin!

This is Sanctification.

Amen, brother.

 

[godrulz]

I think mystery's understanding of sin and sanctification is too narrow. He jumps on some truths, but fails to see all the truths about the issue. Rejecting his personal views on these subjects is not rejecting Christ and the gospel, despite what he says in my case.