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The Biblical perspective is the earth is not moved and the sun does. --Dave P.S. Did you see my last post to you?

"So the sun stood still, and the moon stopped, Until the nation avenged themselves of their enemies. Is it not written in the book of Jashar? And the sun stopped in the middle of the sky and did not hasten to go down for about a whole day." Why doesn't the Bible say the earth stood still? --Dave

From the moon (if we went there) we see the earth, continents and oceans. We do not "see" the atmosphere. Form earth we see the land mass, the surface of the moon. From the moon we see the surface of the earth. It should follow that from earth we see the surface of Venus reflected, not the...

To begin my analysis I want a clear understanding about Venus. If Venus is a planet it's reflecting the sun in exactly the same way that the moon is reflecting the light from the sun. Is this correct? --Dave

Now this is an argument against another argument from a video. Thanks Clete, this is what I want this thread to be about. I have watched both videos and will analyze and compare them. Then I would like my comparison to be critiqued. --Dave

Did you misplace your argument? This debate is not about me. Make an argument that defeats the claim on the video. Which means you have to watch it first. --Dave

If you don't agree with the video presentation then say why. This debate is not about me. --Dave

The title is not a good one, but just watch the video, the point is well made how the sun works with the gases in the atmosphere to produce light. --Dave

Venus Venus viewed through a Neutral-density filter --Dave

FLAT EARTH ... LET THERE BE LIGHT This is a very interesting video on how light is produced in our atmosphere. --Dave

The video is a good presentation of a flat earth perspective. Counter arguments have been made and it's up to others to decide which arguments make more sense. --Dave

I didn't say, nor did the video say, that the sun "dropped down" into the clouds. We look at these videos and try to determine if they are authentic. Put down your reasons for why they are fake, if that's what you think --Dave

Let everyone decide for themselves what they think is a fraud or not. You make your case and I'll make mine. --Dave

Anti Crepuscular Sun Rays are KEY to Southern Star Rotation FLAT EARTH --Dave

CREPUSCULAR SUN RAYS PROVE FLAT EARTH --Dave

Did you look at the videos I just posted with the sun in the clouds? --Dave

Give us that geometry then. We still need observations. The video with the sun in the clouds are pretty clear to me, and many others. --Dave

I don't say, see there, the person who made the video might be saying that or not. You have to watch them to find out. I have a graphic art back ground and produced a number of magazines and designed many book covers. A video can tell you so much about this subject that geometry cannot...

Why should I approximate it? --Dave

I don't create videos for flat earth or NASA. I watch both, and I have watched many, for many hours. I do far more than anyone see's. You may see a video as fraud where someone else may not. NASA, in my opinion, has presented both authentic and fraudulent video, as have flat earth folk. A...