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I want to know what "you" believe. Is loving God a work or not? Can we be saved by faith without loving God. Based on what you are saying I would conclude that we do not have to love God, it's "not required" according to you. If it's not required then we don't have to do it. Can anyone say, "I...

You're being vague. In your view, is loving God a work or not? Yes or no will do. --Dave

So, you probably believe loving "the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy strength" is a work. If that is what you are saying then we don't have love God in order to be a Christian. In fact we could also say loving God is a work and is therefore a bad thing...

I asked "Who were the others that preached faith plus works before Paul?" Saying, "Paul preached faith without works" is not an answer to my question. Did Jesus preach faith plus works? Did John the Baptist, Peter, and all the rest of the apostles who came before Paul preach faith plus works...

Jesus taught all his disciples that everyone is saved only through faith in him and not through works. Can you show me from scripture that Jesus taught faith plus works? --Dave

Yes, I agree. I disagree with the post that says; 38 This is he, that was in the church in the wilderness, the word here should be gathering and not the word church because Moses is obviously way before the church. --Dave

Who were the others that preached faith plus works before Paul? --Dave

Pattern ὑποτύπωσιν (hypotypōsin) — 2 Occurrences 1 Timothy 1:16 N-AFS GRK: μακροθυμίαν πρὸς ὑποτύπωσιν τῶν μελλόντων NAS: patience as an example for those KJV: for a pattern to them which should hereafter INT: patience for a pattern of those being about 2 Timothy 1:13 N-AFS GRK: ὑποτύπωσιν ἔχε...

I Timothy 1:15-16 I Timothy 1:15 (KJV) This is a faithful saying, and worthy of all acceptation, that Christ Jesus came into the world to save sinners; of whom I am chief. 16 Howbeit for this cause I obtained mercy, that in me first Jesus Christ might shew forth all longsuffering, for a pattern...

Where does it say; (Rom 16:25, Eph 3:9). It was first revealed to the Apostle Paul after Israel's national rejection of the Messiah (Acts 7–9)? Bold only phrase. --Dave

The Nation of Israel: This program was prophesied "since the world began" (Acts 3:21). It was the subject of Old Testament covenants, starting with Abraham, and was the primary focus of the four Gospels and the early chapters of Acts. The Body of Christ: This program was a mystery (secret) "hid...

To Right Divider I agree with you on what Paul writes in I Corinthians 6. I not sure what you mean by "The church of Israel (to whom Jesus preached for years)." I thought Jesus preached to the "Nation of Israel", and that the "Temple of Israel" was not the Church of Christ and therefore not...

I Corinthians 6 is the chapter I was referring to so I guess we will talk about Paul. Is there still a church of Israel today distinct from the church of Paul that you describe as "the church which is his body".

Hi, how are you? I've decided to come back and do some more debating. Now that I'm finally fully retired I will have more time to be here, between naps. : ) Good chapter to start with. The goal as you see is an attempt to distinguish between judgment that God and Christ will do and what we...

I found the following on a church's statement of faith: "Christ commands His followers to rebuke and to judge with righteous judgment and to forgive those who repent. One day God will resurrect the dead, punish the unbelievers and reward those whom He has justified with the life of the world to...

So, we agree as to what time is. What time is has been made complex because of relativity. Absolute time is past, present, and future. God existed before he created the world so the creation of the world was in God's future. Having created the world, the creation of the world is now in...

Time is the continued sequence of existence and events that occurs in an apparently irreversible succession from the past, through the present, and into the future. --Wiki

Time is the duration and sequence of events relative to other events, this is how we define time. Space is the location and distance between objects relative to other objects, this is how we define space. Where in the world did you get the idea that time and space are merely "a convention of...

What do you mean? Do you mean there is no such thing as time or space? Do we live in a world that is timeless and space-less?

God has a past, present, and future, he is not timeless An active God experiences time; has a past, a present, and a future. The creation of the world is in God's past and the day of judgement is in his future. God is intrinsically free and time is freedom for God to do what he wants, when he...