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  1. Clete

    The earth is flat and we never went to the moon

    Wikipedia on Polar flight plans... Antarctica Few airlines fly between cities having a great circle route over Antarctica. Direct flights between South Africa and New Zealand would overfly Antarctica, but no airline has scheduled such flights. LATAM Airlines flies nonstop between Auckland...
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    The earth is flat and we never went to the moon

    One cool way of doing the exact same experiment but with the help of modern technology is to use a GPS unit or use an iPhone app to determine your exact latitude. Then on the solstice, get a stick and take as careful a measurement as you can figure out how to make and then do the math and see...
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    The earth is flat and we never went to the moon

    I don't disagree with the point you are making here but just to be precise, it isn't natural selection that is the contradiction, it's evolution. Natural selection happens all the time. In fact, you can induce natural selection to occure rather easily. This is where we get antibiotic resistant...
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    The earth is flat and we never went to the moon

    Nope. The analogy is perfect - perfect. Read it again. Yes, we can. When you drive your car and you see a sign go by, is the sign moving or is the car and you in it? It's precisely the same with the Earth. You see the Sun go by but it is the Earth that is moving. The only reason you can feel...
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    Take Down the Bird Feeder!

    I bought a bird feeder. I hung It on my back porch and filled It with seed. What a beauty of a bird feeder it was, as I filled it, lovingly with seed. Within a week we had hundreds of birds taking advantage of the continuous flow of free and easily accessible food. But then the birds started...
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    The earth is flat and we never went to the moon

    Okay, so hit me with what you consider to be the biggest flaw in the global construct.
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    The earth is flat and we never went to the moon

    Unless you're breathing something other than the air in the car, this objection doesn't make sense. You breath in air from the car and direct a higher pressure body of air in the direction of your brother which in turn moves your bother's hair. You made wind with your mouth, the Earth makes it...
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    The earth is flat and we never went to the moon

    Okay. I keep forgeting about the "Devil's advocate" aspect of your position. Okay, I can live with that. Except that I wasn't kidding, he's got 200 reasons that are all wrong. What I posted with just the first nine reasons I literally could do with every single reason he gives. If you can...
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    The earth is flat and we never went to the moon

    Motion is only meaningful relative to other objects. The air is NOT moving relative to the car. The air IS moving with the car relative to the road. No, that isn't it. It doesn't matter whether the air even exists. If we happened to be creatures that lived on a planet with no atmosphere or if...
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    The earth is flat and we never went to the moon

    Of course, you can! It's called wind and weather and atmospheric pressure. You live in an ocean of air. The former. It holds it, Dave! Clouds are floating on more dense air beneath them. Bird and planes move through the atmosphere in such a way as to create lift which opposes the pull of...
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    The earth is flat and we never went to the moon

    From this silly video (Sorry Dave! I cannot keep from ridiculing it. It's is mind-numbing stupidity.) 1. The horizon always looks perfectly flat, 360 degrees around an observer, regardless of altitude. FALSE: An observer above 35000 ft with a near cloudless field of view of 60 degrees or...
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    The earth is flat and we never went to the moon

    What? Come on, Dave! Are you serious? Try swimming across a flowing river and see if you don't both go across the river and down steam with the current. This is really really simple stuff here. What's going on with you? Relative to the Earth's axis it is, yes! It still has to travel through...
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    The earth is flat and we never went to the moon

    Your testimony is! Just as the con artists on the Trinity Broadcasting Network do damage to the faith, so also does any Christian who stubbornly ignores sound reason in favor of blind belief, no matter the topic. The truth is rational! If you are seen accepting a cosmology that is clearly...
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    The earth is flat and we never went to the moon

    I'll try again. We should see the movement of the Earth relative to what? We see it's movement all the time. The sun rises and sets as does the rest of the things we see in the sky. It doesn't feel like the Earth is moving because we are moving with it but that doesn't change the fact that...
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    The earth is flat and we never went to the moon

    The marksman is wrong. That is NOT the Coriolis effect - period. He is flatly wrong. My bet is that there isn't any marksman anywhere that has ever said that. I totally believe that such an argument was put forward on those videos but that doesn't mean that any real marksman said such a thing...
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    The earth is flat and we never went to the moon

    Do yourself a favor and don't call an argument "absolutely true" until you've run it past me first. ;) Not so. The Coriolis effect is the result of the conservation of angular momentum. It cannot be "negated" except by a force acting in the opposite direction. What is it that you propose is...
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    The earth is flat and we never went to the moon

    Pretty sure that they're the same people who publish the flat fold-up maps! They're clearly in on the conspiracy though! P.S. Your avatar is terrific, by the way! One of my favorites I've ever seen.
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    The earth is flat and we never went to the moon

    He doesn't have it wrong. Special Relativity states that time (all of it - past, present and future) exists. This is fundamentally fatalistic. There are many people who have made this and similar arguments for decades... The Block Universe of Special Relativity This is not be taken to...
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    The earth is flat and we never went to the moon

    What's the motive, Dave? Why would anyone care to keep the flatness of the Earth a secret or to trick the world into thinking its a sphere? Who benefits and how/why?
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    The earth is flat and we never went to the moon

    Dave, I started the first video you linked too and made it all of two minutes before I had to turn it off. You have got to be joking! You cannot possibly be taking these videos seriously! The Mississippi River would have to ascend up hill to reach the Gulf of Mexico? Seriously?! Come on...
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