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I'm going to choose to say option 2 just because I still cannot make myself believe that the guy who was capable of creating THIS could have a mind capable of anything else.

So Dave, I see that you're wanting to land the plane here but I've spent way too much time here to let it end without getting some sort of verdict. If you were sitting in a jury box and you had to decide whether the powers the be were guilty or innocent of sticking the pupoluation into beling...

I wonder how many of these will end up being actually facts? This is stated rather losely but granting the point, it is only evidence that we and the planet are moving together. If the planet was motionless or moving at a million miles per hour, it would feel the same to us. Therefore, this is...

Thank you for posting an actual counter argument! You argument here fails because no such assumptions have to be made. It doesn't matter at all if the Moon or Earth are orbiting the Sun when one triangulates their relative distances from the Earth. There is one single assumption, that the Moon...

I haven't dismissed anything with providing an argument that supports that dismissal. Additionally, there is no rational questioning of how trigonometry works in regards to finding the relative lengths of two sides of a right triangle. There is no way around the fact, the observable, provable...

Okay. :up: This is called an unsubstantiated claim. A.K.A. Crazy talk!

This might be the most intellectually dishonest post you've made on this whole thread. First of all the geometry of sun rays argument has already been debunked and quite completely so. Secondly, as dewscribed in my counter argument, what you are seeing is not "rays" from the sun, you are seeing...

Fuel. If you're flying around in circles, you're using fuel and a lot of it. Where do these little machines store all this fuel? The only fuel on satellites is the tiny amounts they use for maneuvering thrusters that maintain the satellite's orientation. Also, why are geostationary...

Cool video and cool experiment! But... The problem with GoPro cameras is the sort of wide-angle lens that they use. If you watch the video carefully, you'll see the bend in the horizon change with the angle of the camera. It'll be bent downward then flat then bent upward and then flat again...

All four of the videos in that series prove the flat earth model to be impossible. Anyone who watches even one of them and does not reject the flat-earth model is not looking at the issue scientifically.

I've seen videos (it may well have been one that Dave posted) that stated that it works off of cell phone towers and other ground-based forms of communication. It's not a sufficient explanation but the flat-earthers do have an answer for seemingly every conceivable objection.

To be fair, most of the question were address in one way or another via the videos he posted. Certainly not all of them and not as directly as I would have liked but it wouldn't be fair to say that they weren't addressed at all.

That is an excellent question. If what we've presented isn't sufficient then what would be? I am still holding out hope that what we've presented has been sufficient and that the verdict of Dave's mind will be in favor of the round earth, by the way.

Yes, indeed! I've also read the book upon which the material in the video is based. The Witness of The Stars by E.W. Bullinger

Astronomy, not astrology. I'm pretty sure none of us are into astrology.

If you'll recall, there was a protracted discussion about a certain boat captain that supposedly sailed 60,000 miles or something to that effect. Wasn't part of that flat-earth argument based on the fact that such a lengthy voyage is what one would expect if the Earth was flat?

You're wrong, chair. I understand why you'd think this but I'm still convinced that you're wrong. Not every defense attorney thinks his client is innocent. Didn't you ever know anyone who was taking debate class and had to argue the side of an issue he disagreed with? If, on the outside...

Agreed

Well, I had "3rd grade" in there at first but then changed it. Maybe I over shot! :chuckle:

I don't mind study and I've watched way more video on flat earther stuff than I ever would have expected. One has his limits, however. So voice the objections and let's discuss it. REASONABLE objections to the globe earth model are not the same as affirmative arguments for a flat earth that...