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  1. Clete

    The earth is flat and we never went to the moon

    Yes, it is, Dave. The oceans are no more attached to the Earth than the atmosphere is or than you are for that matter. The atmosphere sticks around for the same reason you do. You live at the bottom of an ocean of air. The question is what keeps the water, the atmosphere and you on the Earth...
  2. Clete

    The earth is flat and we never went to the moon

    I'm sorry I get upset. It's more frustration than it is anything else. These videos you post seem to me to be so transparently dumb that it just feels like everyone should be able to detect it. That clearly isn't the case and so I'll try to be more patient. Clete
  3. Clete

    The earth is flat and we never went to the moon

    Yes, level to the pull of gravity! It's just the same as saying that it's perpendicular to both the pull of gravity and the curved surface of the Earth because it's the pull of gravity that curves the surface of the Earth in the first place. Level and flat are not synonymous. You can use them...
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    The earth is flat and we never went to the moon

    Ah! I see what you meant now. Sorry, I didn't get it. You bet! You have to listen carefully because the narrator has a very thick accent but it tells the story quite well. P.S. That video has fewer than 1000 views and only 14 likes, one of which is mine. It deserves far more in spite of his...
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    The earth is flat and we never went to the moon

    He means how far. He's saying that Newton demonstrated that the same force that makes apples fall to the ground is the same that makes the Moon orbit the Earth - the Moon is in free fall and that it stays in orbit because it travels vertically relative to the Earth's surface at the same rate at...
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    The earth is flat and we never went to the moon

    I don't know where you're getting this stuff from but all of these points are wrong, Dave. No one knows why the Earth is tilted. We creationist believe that it was created that way. The only paradigm from which your objection works is from an atheistic worldview where such phenomena requires a...
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    The earth is flat and we never went to the moon

    That is an excellent point! We can, for example, know that Newton got something very close to being exactly right about universal gravitation and the nature of the Moon's orbit because he predicted how long one orbit of the Moon should take based on how far something falls in one second here on...
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    The earth is flat and we never went to the moon

    By the way, I have met with utter failure on my attempt to photograph the Lyrid Meteor Shower. Meteors are difficult to photograph under any circumstances but utterly impossible to image when it's overcast. What's really bad is that I had perfect viewing conditions the morning before which is...
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    The earth is flat and we never went to the moon

    Which is exactly what happens when they fly in a truly straight trajectory. But typically, they flat in a level trajectory which is where gravity comes in. No, it isn't saying that David! This is not complicated! To fly a flat (level) course is to keep a course that is perpendicular to the...
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    The earth is flat and we never went to the moon

    The videos you've posted about supposed "real" images of Venus aren't worth anyone's time, including yours. THEY ARE STUPIDITY!!!! That isn't a mere insult, its the truth! The videos you've posted on this thread shouldn't convince a twelve-year-old, David. That first one you posted was a...
  11. Clete

    The earth is flat and we never went to the moon

    He is winning the point. Don't be afraid of logic. If you don't see the point he's making then answer his question and see where it goes. If you do see his point then respond to it because I do see his point and he's got you on this one. There is no contradiction, you're just wrong. There's no...
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    The earth is flat and we never went to the moon

    Incidentally! Tomorrow night - that's Saturday night the 22nd of April - there will be a meteor shower. Since gravity isn't real and we aren't in orbit around the Sun, I have no idea how I know that but, nevertheless, it will be happening tomorrow night. The meteors WILL NOT fall only in a...
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    The earth is flat and we never went to the moon

    Dave, Maybe we can take this discussion down a different course. Let's see what we can find as common ground. I know you're not much into astronomy and related sciences but since the shape of the planet is, at its core, an astronomical issue, I think it might be beneficial to ask you just what...
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    The earth is flat and we never went to the moon

    There are at least two possible explanations. 1. It is spinning, just not at a rate you can detect in the video. 2. It is not spinning relative to whatever it is that took the video. David, this is stupidity. I'm not even going to dignify it with a direct response. Dave, you make claims and...
  15. Clete

    The earth is flat and we never went to the moon

    Translation: "All counter examples to my claims will be dismissed as fakes." How does one debate against an unfalsifiable position?
  16. Clete

    The earth is flat and we never went to the moon

    Nope! http://gizmodo.com/5909215/this-is-the-definitive-photograph-of-planet-earth http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-2883739/The-GREY-planet-True-colour-image-reveals-Earth-really-looks-like-space-without-filters-editing.html It took me just about 30 seconds to find those images...
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    The earth is flat and we never went to the moon

    Dave does not say anything like, "Jesus loves you. Oh, and by the way, the Earth is flat because the bible says so." He's merely preparing himself for a possible encounter with the issue. He's not one of those who likes to be caught having to say, "I have no idea what you're talking about." Clete
  18. Clete

    The earth is flat and we never went to the moon

    As I just mentioned to Knight, I would like to retract this whole post. It was an emotional reaction and I shouldn't have said it. I'm sorry Dave.
  19. Clete

    The earth is flat and we never went to the moon

    Yeah, me too. I no longer think he's just lying so I retract that accusation. He is, however, being very aggravating.
  20. Clete

    The earth is flat and we never went to the moon

    You've gone now from debating to lying. I'm not putting up with it. Goodbye Dave. Thanks for wasting months of my time. Go and say these stupid things to unbelievers on the street and make us all look like slobbering morons.
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