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So, this is wrong but lets go with it for now... Does this look like a circle?.... http://www.isstracker.com/

The orbits of satellites are very predictable. You can know precisely when the ISS will be visible in your location and when it will move into or out of the Earth's shadow. Take a wild guess what all the math that is used to make those predictions is based on? Hint: It can't be made to work...

Anything besides this refraction stuff.

I'm responding to my own post to point out that I was wrong. It isn't the apparent size that would be subject to the inverse square law. If we were talking about an object's apparent surface area THEN we'd be talking about geometric progression but when talking about the apparent size (i.e...

The horizon dropping is exactly what actually happens! The problem is that the Earth is large enough that the difference is too small for our eyes to resolve. With sufficiently precise instruments the effect can and has been measured but only by the illuminati and others involved in propagating...

Possible? Probably. Who cares? Yes, three layers is more than one layer. There could be several layers and they would not have to begin with a cold layer near the surface. Temperature is only one of at least three variables. None of which is at all relevant. Saying it doesn't make it so...

Then we never see the real thing of anything, David. See my previous post. Stupidity We know how refraction works and I've asked you over and over again about why we can't see cities from 50 miles away on a regular basis and you ignore the point! YOU IGNORE THE POINT! "It isn't the issue." If...

Of course it is! The fact that it's bounced off a piece of glass doesn't change it's source, just the path it took to get to your eye. That is not relevant to whether what you are seeing is that actual city, which it is! What else would it be? Is it a pretend city? Are we imagining it? If the...

More than one layer of atmosphere! :bang:

We DO NOT get two different effects from the same atmospheric condition! How many times do I have to answer the same objection? Do you know what a temperature inversion is? Let me just tell you. Normally warm air masses want to rise and cold air masses want to sink. A temperature inversion...

Interesting. That is not what I expected you to say. Being a weather related phenomenon, I expected it to be quite predictable. They know the air temperature, humidity and pressure pretty well so it must be the water temperature that they don't have sufficient data on to make the prediction...

Because I'm bored to death with this treadmill discussion about refraction, I'm going to jump to a different treadmill discussion... Dave, You occasionally reject arguments on the basis that they presuppose that the Earth is round. I wonder if you've given any consideration to how a round...

Is the weather man able to predict in advance when it is likely to happen? If so, is he also able to say how strong the effect will be (i.e. how much of the skyline you'll be able to see)?

I was sort of ignoring this point just because I understand what he's getting at but I'm glad someone mentioned it. It is important to point out as many flaws in the Flat Earth thinking process as possible. In actual fact, we are seeing the real city or ship or whatever. The light has bounced...

How often does it happen that you can see Chicago from across the lake?

The image above is not displaying refraction but rather reflection and would result in an upside down image of the ship as in the picture below... If the image is due to refraction, it will be upright... (There is actually some of both refraction and reflection occurring in that last...

David, So just how is this discussion about refraction arguing for a flat Earth anyway? As I've said, no one denies that light is refracted by the atmosphere. When light travels from a medium of lesser density into a medium of higher density (or vise versa), it refracts. The amount it refracts...

No, we aren't told that by anyone other than flat earthers wanting to have something to argue against. No, not both. That's complete asinine stupidity. No other response is warranted. What are you seeing? A make believe city? What else would you be seeing? Just because the light is refracted...

One single more syllable from you along these lines will land you permanently on my ignore list. Not only have I spent an ungodly number of hours presenting argument after argument that YOU ignored completely but you've totally lost any right to talk to me about "doing better"! You can kiss me...

Irrelevant and already answered. If the image isn't inverted, it isn't a reflection but rather a refraction of the light. NO ONE BUT FLAT EARTHERS PROPOSE REFLECTIVE MIRAGES AS AN EXPLANATION FOR WAY WE SEE CITY SKY LIKES (OR ANY OTHER UPRIGHT IMAGE) FROM 50 MILES AWAY!!!!! It's a trick...