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Currently it is 4:30:00 pm Central time (9:30:00 UTC) and the Sun is 46.1° above my horizon and the subsolar point is at 16,0°N 141,1°W The Moon is 16.2° above my horizon and the sunlunar point is at 20,8°N 178,4°W The distance from my house to the subsolar point is 3033.21 miles. The...

Okay, well so far the observations are fighting me. First I had to work when I thought I would have the afternoon off and now that I'm off it's overcast with thunderstorms and lightning all over the place. However, I can still use this same app to get the elevation of the Sun above the horizon...

FYI: It turns out that I had to work this afternoon and wasn’t able to make the observations I wanted make starting at noon central time. I’ll be finished in time to make some observations starting at about 4:00pm central time. Clete

Dave, As I said in the my last post, it seems you are confused about what points are creating the right triangle that I'm talking about in my argument. I have something you can do that should clear up your confusion on this. Go to THIS website. It's a site that simply plots the position on...

How is it backwards? You're thinking of the wrong triangle. Read the following very carefully... It isn't backwards. And the argument isn't dependent on which direction the triangle is drawn anyway. Draw it the other way around if you want. The difference is equivalent to one being a sunrise...

It IS NOT relevant to the argument I have made! No one has denied the ability to see all the way to the Sun in both those photos and so how is "how far we can see into the distance across a plane" relevant to the argument? All we did is measure the angle from the horizon to the Sun at near...

That would qualify as a presupposition that I am making a presupposition. That is not a rational argument, David! If I have made a question begging error then tell me what it is. I wrote the post. I made the argument and I know what went into making it. I didn't assume anything other than the...

Dave, I need to clarify something. When I said the distance to the Sun was not relevant, that was slightly incorrect. It is relevant to each individual calculation in my proof that the Earth cannot be flat but it is not relevant in the refutation of the argument because... Based on the data we...

Perspective is not relevant to the argument and it is 1000% total proof that the Earth CANNOT be flat - period. There are two and only two avenues of attack against the argument. You can challenge the veracity of the data we (i.e. people participating in this thread) collected. You can...

Not one single word of this is at all relevant to the argument, David. I am really starting to think that you are in fact stupid. I don't care how far away the FET thinks the Sun is! It can't be two different distances away at the same time, you blithering idiot!

Proof That the Earth Cannot Be Flat The last few days I've been playing around with some math and thought I'd post some of it here to see if it might move some of the flat earthers maybe an inch or two back toward reality... Let's put some of the sunset images we've taken to good use and see...

Irrelevant. Unresponsive. And it would be an argument from silence if it were relevant anyway. We know that He did not but you statement that he would have is conjecture and frankly stupid. You are arguing that the bible is false. THE WORLD IS NOT FLAT! This is not a mere claim. I have...

Nice. Is this you're way of not responding to the argument? Why do you think that it's alright to waste my time? I do not dispute history. It's prehistory that I doubt you know anything about. You simply don't have any idea whether Adam or Abel or Methuselah or a million other prehistoric...

I interpret it literally too, David. But I'm smart enough to understand that there is more than one way to do that. There is exactly NOTHING about the fact that the Earth orbits the Sun that contradicts a literal interpretation of Genesis or any other option of the Bible.

Yeah, so what? This is false. Given the known and undisputed data, math PROVES that the Earth cannot be flat. Therefore the flat-Earth "cosmology" is falsified. This is an unsubstantiated primary premise that I dispute. The fact that the Sun is given a different word than the rest of the...

You really need to stop this, David. You simply don't have any idea what you're talking about and you are actively undermining the Bible and with it, the entire Christian faith.

No. I'm not sure what that article is about but atmospheric effects on the apparent size of the Moon (and other bodies) actually causes it to look very very slightly smaller and flatter than it is. This, by the way, is counter intuitive because of the optical illusion that causes our brains to...

This is an over reaction and, I think, presents a false dichotomy. No one here denies the literal truth of Genesis. The point is that there is nothing in the Genesis creation account that contradicts reality. And whether you want to believe it or not, the reality is that the Earth very...

As I have explained over and over again, it isn't merely the fact that you have doubts. It is that you systematically and consistently refuse to accept the verdict of sound reason and compelling proof that the Earth cannot be flat. You are stubbornly clinging to what has been known to be false...

A question that has been directly answered more than once. The Moon is, in fact, slightly smaller at the horizon than it is at it's zenith. If m is the distance between the center of the Earth and the Moon, and r is the radius of the Earth then when the moon is overhead, its distance from you...