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    The earth is flat and we never went to the moon--Part II

    Yes, of course we are. We are encased in the atmosphere just as you'd be encased in water if you were submerged in a traveling swimming pool. You think there ought to be some sort of space wind where the Earth would experience some sort of frictional force that would leave the atmosphere...
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    The earth is flat and we never went to the moon--Part II

    It terms of one's experience it is. Isn't that your primary criteria - experience? To everyone on the Earth, the Earth is stationary - relative to them. The Sun, on the other hand, is moving across the sky. If you stop the Earth from spinning on it's axis, everyone who has no concept of a...
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    The earth is flat and we never went to the moon--Part II

    I stop at whatever point I find a false premise upon which the rest of what is said is based. See the following... It is not missing the point! IT IS THE POINT! Can you not tell the difference between proving that the Earth does not move vs proving that there is no ether? The Michelson...
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    The earth is flat and we never went to the moon--Part II

    No, you don't. You repeat claims about our experience that you hear other idiots say on YouTube. The fact is that you wouldn't feel the motion in a car is the ride was sufficiently smoothed out. It is changes in direction and momentum that you feel in a car. The Earth does not have to contend...
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    The earth is flat and we never went to the moon--Part II

    Stars never ever fall to Earth! Meteor showers eminate in all directions from a small region in the sky. Whatever that region happens to be is what gives the meteor shower it's name. A point I have made several time before and which you ignored. Don't bother claiming that you didn't ignore it...
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    The earth is flat and we never went to the moon--Part II

    You were good up to this point. If you actually believe this and aren't just repeating something you heard on one of those idiotic YouTube videos, then you need to reinvestigate the Michelson Morley experiment because you are flatly wrong about it. It did not prove that the Earth was not moving...
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    The earth is flat and we never went to the moon--Part II

    All of this has been addressed over and over again. We know how far away the Sun is. We've known for hundreds of years basically how far away the Moon is and now we know within less than an inch how far away the Moon is. Aristotle said that what is now known to us as Halley's Comet was some...
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    The earth is flat and we never went to the moon--Part II

    You just cannot be this stupid. The Moon has a whole hell of a lot further to go, David! The distance the Moon travels in one orbit, ignoring a lot of variables that not relevant to this particular discussion, is just about 1.5 million miles. Take the average orbital speed of the Moon and...
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    The earth is flat and we never went to the moon--Part II

    I haven't ignored it. I've directly refuted it. It doesn't circle the Earth faster than the rotation of the Earth. It orbits the Earth at about 1/30th of the rotational speed of the Earth. That is to say that it takes about thirty rations of the Earth for the Moon to complete one orbit around...
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    The earth is flat and we never went to the moon--Part II

    Saying it doesn't make it so. Of course it does. It just the differences in apparent speed aren't as big as you want them to be. If this were so, I could not make the predictions that I've made. The software I used to get the information is all based on a globe Moon orbiting a globe Earth...
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    The earth is flat and we never went to the moon--Part II

    Actually, this is precisely what we do see.
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    The earth is flat and we never went to the moon--Part II

    You're waiting for an argument that explains a phenomenon that does not exist. The reason they are called planets in the first place is precisely because they do not move in unison with the stars. The reason you go outside in the evening during the summer and see the constellations of Scorpio...
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    The earth is flat and we never went to the moon--Part II

    I vow to never watch another video posted that has anything to do with showing that the Earth is flat. Not one second of one single more video. I will not watch them. I will not discuss them. I am done with flat earth videos - forever - period.
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    The earth is flat and we never went to the moon--Part II

    Every single time I play one these videos, it proves to be a waste of time! How in the world can these videos convince anyone of anything other than that Flat Earthers are the stupidest people alive? That video doesn't even show the Sun at all! It shows a boat vanishing from the bottom up into...
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    The earth is flat and we never went to the moon--Part II

    Dave, Imagine you are standing directly underneath a basketball hoop (or some other object), which is 10 feet off the ground. The hoop would be at 90° above your horizon. Now imagine that I am looking at the same hoop but it is 33.2° up from my horizon. That puts you at point C and me at...
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    The earth is flat and we never went to the moon--Part II

    Measuring the angle of the Sun is not something that can be changed in the way you are suggesting. It's just a simple measurement of the angle of the Sun above the horizon. It changes constantly. At sunrise and sunset the Sun is at 0° above the horizon. At Noon, it's be something closer to 90°...
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    The earth is flat and we never went to the moon--Part II

    Dave, So, yesterday I did some math using the angle of the Sun and Moon above the horizon and the distances between my location and the locations on the Earth directly below the Sun and Moon. I'm hoping that it is clear how my location, the subsolar point and the Sun itself create a right...
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    The earth is flat and we never went to the moon--Part II

    I used an app on my iPhone called Spyglass. It's basically a fancy compass that I use every day because I need to know the direction the house I'm inspecting is facing and the compass app that comes with the phone is weak. It uses the accelerometers and other orientation gadgets that are built...
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    The earth is flat and we never went to the moon--Part II

    It is now 5:30:00 pm Central time (10:30:00 UTC) and the Sun is 33.2° above my horizon and the subsolar point is at 15,9°N 156,2°W The Moon is 4.4° above my horizon and the sunlunar point is at 20,8°N 167,2°E The distance from my house to the subsolar point is 3937.31 miles. The distance from...
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