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No, Marke! That's the opposite of reality! It prevents tons of people from getting covid. In fact very nearly everyone who gets the shot doesn't have tow worry about getting COVID at all and even if they do get it, it will almost certainly be a mild case. That's reality, Marke. The reality is...

I agree but the word pandemic has no meaning at all if COVID 19 doesn't count as one. Perhaps it no longer qualifies as one but it certainly did in the spring and summer of 2020 when it was declared as such. The flu wouldn't normally count as a pandemic because it is an endemic disease. If a...

:lol: I stand corrected!

No you don't! You ignore science and math! You're fixated on "Marxist edicts" to the point of delusion, seeing government boogy-men behind every bush.

You are a liar. There aren't two sides, not really. At best there is scientific studies and data on one side and lies, conspiracy theories and propaganda on the other. You and Fauci are on the same side of that particular spectrum just with different conclusions.

Of course they are! That's the point of having a republic. Not that leaving is the first option. The first option can be either fighting over reach in the courts and / or voting in people who don't over reach. I'd say leaving the state is a distant third option at best.

I don't necessarily "favor the shot". What I favor is people making rational decisions based on reality instead of fear based decision making based on lies, conspiracy theories and propaganda.

You insist in spite of literally millions upon millions of test cases that flat out PROVE you wrong!

You are a veritable fountain of irrelevant nonsense. It's as if you just don't know how to think these things through. I just heard something on the radio today about a judge striking down some mandate that California had in place (they didn't give the details but that's beside the point). The...

It isn't minimizing it to cast it in the light of reality. There is NO significant risk - period. That has not only been told to you but shown to you with real life numbers that YOU are the one ignoring so don't get all sanctimonious with me. You are the one who shows up here lying through your...

I wouldn't have ever tried to suggest that there wasn't a pandemic. My arguments are not about semantics. And I have no problem with anyone who doesn't want to take the vaccine so long as they're doing so for rational reasons that aren't related to fear mongering nonsense and conspiracy...

There are legal remedies for unconstitutional edicts. Whether those remedies will be acted upon is a different question.

No, you're not sorry and don't pretend like what you do is anything remotely similar to what I do. I've cited studies while you cite media reports and opinion and twisted statistics designed specifically to scare the mindless like yourself.

There are no national vaccine passports and we live in a republic not a dictatorship. Those who live in New York and California who hate the government are free to leave. That doesn't make what they are doing with these passports right, but it does refute your vapid point.

You are the one showing up on a public debate forum trying to convince everyone that these vaccines are too dangerous. I didn't force you to show up with your fear mongering nonsense but you're here and I will refute you to what ever extent I want and there's nothing you can do about except...

So what? This is not relevant, Marke. A point I've made already more than once and that you just ignore completely or else use as an excuse to repeat some other irrelevancy. Not unexpected and therefore not relevant! I've explained it over and over and over again! IT IS NOT RELEVANT...

THIS IS AN INTENTIONAL LIE!!!!! This is just conspiracy theory nonsense! Now your delusional mind is calling into question not just a vaccine that uses new technology but ALL vaccines! That's right ALL vaccines! There is nothing you can say to undermine trust in both the safety and the...

Judge rightly is no some guys name. What are you trying to tell me, that its wrong to judge? Hypocrite! LIAR!!! I have totally refuted every single syllable of your ridiculous fear mongering lies and you know it! All you've done is repeatedly ignored those argument and repeated yourself as...

This is flatly false. I don't care what field you've worked in, you are factually, fundamentally and flatly wrong. There can be no doubt at all that they are effective. That was not only proven before they were released but have been proven in the real world by any rational metric you care to...

A reasonable position. What isn't reasonable about what others here are doing is the spreading of intentional misinformation and the recalcitrant resistance to any evidence or argument against the fear mongering nonsense they are here to disseminate.