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And if the Real Presence is true, then logically you're the sad ones. Agreed?

I agree with @brewmama's argument. It's like how I agree with Catholicism's ethics. I don't make the argument to support my ethics, I just say I'm Catholic. I have Catholic ethics.

These words have no meaning.

I indicated that. Meaning, there's no such thing as valid liturgy for believers in Christ. Oh. The Church is riven. It can't get any more divided!

Him who?

I can't believe I have to thank someone for reading what this thread's about before posting in it, but here we are: Thank you. The only one that cannot be concisely explained is the 'call no man father' bit. There is an answer, but it isn't brief. All the other charges about how Catholicism...

No they don't. I used to be a Protestant before I reasoned about Scripture at a high enough level to see how plain the liturgical argument for Orthodoxy and Catholicism is, it's a flat scriptural argument, and there isn't a credible alternative to the very literal interpretation of the Bible in...

Difference being, gun-toting isn't one day going to be replaced by driverless electric tractors churned out by Tesla.

You can say that he is a moral man, but does his putative ethics match your ethics? Ethics is a claim to be right and not only a personal choice made privately. Living a particular way is exclusionary to all the other lifestyle choices. All I'm willing to say is that pursuing weekly Mass and...

Your view is the Protestant view. It is the same view as the atheist view, I point out, just because it is a fact, and not to be offensive. Your view is that, during the one Church's valid liturgy, the Real Presence of Christ in the Eucharist is fiction. It doesn't matter if you don't believe...

It's definitely Apostolic, it's even explicit in the Didache. Too bad (for Protestants) that it's not explicit in the Bible, and that they don't heed the Didache, not even as evidence about what the earliest Church believed was right and wrong, as if that carries any weight (the Didache ----...

It's a matter of liturgy ---- you know this. They can and many do teach valid truths and soteriological or salvific truth, but they don't celebrate Church, Christian liturgy, you know that 'priest work' is called 'liturgy,' and there's such a category as authentic liturgy for the Church. We...

Catholicism imposes a set of ethical judgments, to form some fixed ethical points in the ethical thought of Catholics. E.g. pursue going to weekly Mass, chastity (fleeing sexual perversion), and other completely familiar values. Except for these few fixed points, there is complete latitude in...

Try to stay on topic boys. I know it's tough. Topic being: Your view of the Eucharist (which is that same view as all atheists) was homogenized in a blender and then poured down the sewer. Plenty of Dispensationalists participated in the debate. And none of them could stop it. Jesus Christ...

OK. What about incest, bestiality, polygamy? What about homosexual incest? Do you think that it is moral to outlaw such things? (Assuming of course that there is valid consent. I'm not talking about rape.)

I've got another thread for that. https://theologyonline.com/threads/the-pedophilia.55881/

Perhaps you're thinking about the confusion around who was the real pope for a couple of centuries? The unbroken chain I'm talking about is the chain of bishops. The pope's just one of thousands of bishops, and every one of them was made by a previously validly ordained bishop. The anti-popes...

Yes I am. What in your bolded bit did you think means that this is about salvation at all? What does a valid pastor have to do with salvation? Do you believe in the Real Presence of Christ in the Eucharist?

You mean move to a different state? NY (like MA) is no friend to free people who wish to morally protect themselves and their families with the best weapons that money can buy. Just beware that possessing off-book guns can and likely will backfire on your heirs who inherit your 'off the grid'...

Immoral law imo. More power to you! There are so many interesting guns out there. And there are some very boring yet highly effective guns too. They're everywhere. It's a good policy to own guns that use parts and ammunition that are plentiful, rather than specialized rare guns that require...