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    The earth is flat and we never went to the moon

    Dave, We've been over this. Both of the images are OUT OF FOCUS!!!! Those concentric circles you see in the first image of Venus (if it even is Venus at all) are caused by tiny aberrations in the lens or mirror on the telescope. My bet is he's using a Schmidt/Cassegrain reflector and that...
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    The earth is flat and we never went to the moon

    I've always hated how modern Christians are so quick to discard science, which is to tacitly discard reason. It's one thing to reject a scientific theory or even a whole field of science on the basis of a flawed premise but there is a gigantic anti-intellectualistic movement within the...
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    The earth is flat and we never went to the moon

    All true except that what I was suggesting, but failing to communicate, was that even in the flat earth model that wants to say that sun rays spread out the way they do because the sun is close, it isn't so close that the apparent angles involved would not be at least partially due to...
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    The earth is flat and we never went to the moon

    Who would pay for such a thing? That is to say, satellites are expensive to both launch and to maintain; who foots the bill for providing the infrastructure that makes fast internet service available to everyone?
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    The earth is flat and we never went to the moon

    Excellent post! The distances you mentioned are, I assume, based purely on the apparant angle of the rays and do not take perspective into account. In fact, that would have to be the case or else your distances would work out to be many millions of miles and not a few thousand. I'm going to do...
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    The earth is flat and we never went to the moon

    I wonder how the powers that be, who created and perpetuate the globe-earth propaganda machine, slipped up and allowed the Denver Post to publish such a story or, for that matter, how, after centuries and centuries of successfully fooling everyone from kings to pessants the world over, managed...
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    The earth is flat and we never went to the moon

    Yes, the video did say precisely that, David! Who are you trying to kid here? What exactly was the video attempting to say if not that the Sun had clouds both in front of and behind the Sun? How could that happen if the Sun wasn't at the same elevation as the clouds? If the Sun wasn't...
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    The earth is flat and we never went to the moon

    The flaw in the FE argument concerning crepuscular rays is revealed if you look at the shadows of clouds from above. The shadows of the clouds fall straight down just as is depicted in the right-hand image in the video thumbnail. The "rays" do not converge any more than railroad tracks converge...
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    The earth is flat and we never went to the moon

    Well, there's a comment I can agree with. But that wasn't my point. The point was that you've accused me of not answering your arguments. The fact is that I have done so and you have completely ignored the counter-arguments and now repost a refuted video as though no counter argument was...
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    The earth is flat and we never went to the moon

    Previously refuted. All counter arguments ignored.
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    The earth is flat and we never went to the moon

    This is a lie, David. You ought to repent and apologize. I am the one who, FOR MONTHS, not only responded to virutally every point made in the assinine videos you presented but defended your reputation that was being damaged for having even posted them! David, you need to stop. You are...
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    The earth is flat and we never went to the moon

    I never claimed that Newton was a Christian, although my bet is that he was, even if his doctrine was in error. The point being that he didn't reject the Bible or its worldview as false nor did he consider biblical teaching to be in conflict with the nature of reality. And there certianly is no...
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    The earth is flat and we never went to the moon

    Saying it doesn't make it so. Precisely my point, Dave! Contrary to what you're suggesting, the vast majority of scientists are not members of some secret society which is promoting some grand anti-Christian conspiracy. On the contrary, the fathers of most any science you care to name were all...
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    The earth is flat and we never went to the moon

    Dave, This unresponsiveness on your part is the reason you've driven everyone nearly insane on this thread. Why are you afraid to address the arguments? Do you believe that it is a rationally valid to ignore counter arguments and to simply jump from one refuted argument to the next? Is that...
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    The earth is flat and we never went to the moon

    I picked your post to respond to because you're the one who said "You guys should try to stay on the topic of the thread..." and the proceeded to bring up dispensationalism, of all things. The bottom line is - if your (or someone else's) comments don't have something to do with cosmology, keep...
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    The earth is flat and we never went to the moon

    Stop attempting to hyjack the thread. Discuss the flat earth model or something related to it or go away. No one here wishes to discuss dispensationalism or Mormonism or Preterism on this thread.
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    The earth is flat and we never went to the moon

    I got a good answer to the first of these questions by the way. The reason impact craters are almost always round is because there is sufficient energy in the impact to rapidly melt and even vaporize portions of both the meteor and the impact site. This causes what is essentially a secondary...
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    The earth is flat and we never went to the moon

    Are you being serious? (not sarcasm - really asking)
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    The earth is flat and we never went to the moon

    What would be causing the shadow over exactly half of the Earth in the first place?
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    The earth is flat and we never went to the moon

    I love that this thread seems to have nine lives! Hey Dave, I found a video of a presentation the Wal Thornhill gave a couple of years ago. It seems directly up the ally you wish to be on in regards to reevaluating modern cosmology. Some of it will be too technical but mostly not. If nothing...
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