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    The earth is flat and we never went to the moon--Part II

    I interpret it literally too, David. But I'm smart enough to understand that there is more than one way to do that. There is exactly NOTHING about the fact that the Earth orbits the Sun that contradicts a literal interpretation of Genesis or any other option of the Bible.
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    The earth is flat and we never went to the moon--Part II

    Yeah, so what? This is false. Given the known and undisputed data, math PROVES that the Earth cannot be flat. Therefore the flat-Earth "cosmology" is falsified. This is an unsubstantiated primary premise that I dispute. The fact that the Sun is given a different word than the rest of the...
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    The earth is flat and we never went to the moon--Part II

    You really need to stop this, David. You simply don't have any idea what you're talking about and you are actively undermining the Bible and with it, the entire Christian faith.
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    The earth is flat and we never went to the moon--Part II

    No. I'm not sure what that article is about but atmospheric effects on the apparent size of the Moon (and other bodies) actually causes it to look very very slightly smaller and flatter than it is. This, by the way, is counter intuitive because of the optical illusion that causes our brains to...
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    The earth is flat and we never went to the moon--Part II

    This is an over reaction and, I think, presents a false dichotomy. No one here denies the literal truth of Genesis. The point is that there is nothing in the Genesis creation account that contradicts reality. And whether you want to believe it or not, the reality is that the Earth very...
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    The earth is flat and we never went to the moon--Part II

    As I have explained over and over again, it isn't merely the fact that you have doubts. It is that you systematically and consistently refuse to accept the verdict of sound reason and compelling proof that the Earth cannot be flat. You are stubbornly clinging to what has been known to be false...
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    The earth is flat and we never went to the moon--Part II

    A question that has been directly answered more than once. The Moon is, in fact, slightly smaller at the horizon than it is at it's zenith. If m is the distance between the center of the Earth and the Moon, and r is the radius of the Earth then when the moon is overhead, its distance from you...
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    The earth is flat and we never went to the moon--Part II

    Look Dave, If you want to claim that all this is some sort of role that you're playing then take my insulting attitude as a compliment to your acting skills because unless and until you start acting like a rational human being, I'll not stop treating you like a lying moron. No problem.
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    The earth is flat and we never went to the moon--Part II

    This is not the first time I've done so. When I wasted my time doing it before, it was like shooting spit balls at a battleship when it came to convincing you of anything. This post of yours is just proof, once again, that you're lying to all of us and have no interest at all in being convinced...
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    The earth is flat and we never went to the moon--Part II

    Incidentally, Mt. San Jacinto is visible just above the horizon in the Google Earth image I posted. Here it is again, with a red circle around the peak of the mountain that this idiot claims to be videoing in infrared...
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    The earth is flat and we never went to the moon--Part II

    Exactly. See how the foreground is just black. That's because there is no way to properly expose both the foreground and the Moon. If the foreground isn't underexposed, the Moon will be over exposed. That's how you can know that the photo you posted with the clearly seen mountain in the...
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    The earth is flat and we never went to the moon--Part II

    Okay, because I know Dave will never do it. I've taken it upon myself to do what I suggested he do in my last post. Here goes nothin'.... Everyone go to the 10:00 minute mark on the video that Dave posted in post #2842 There you will see a mountain looming above the city of Santa Monica, CA...
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    The earth is flat and we never went to the moon--Part II

    No, no, no, no, NO! David, if the mountain was the only thing in the picture, you might have a point but it isn't. That lying conman who made the video shows the skyline of a city in the foreground with the mountain looming above it from multiple times as far away. Besides, it's a spotting...
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    The earth is flat and we never went to the moon--Part II

    It is proof, David. They don't just swing. They swing in an oval or ellipse. And they don't just swing in en ellipse, they swing in an eclipse that makes one precessional revolution per day AT THE NORTH OR SOUTH POLE and progressively less than that as you get closer to the equator at which it...
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    The earth is flat and we never went to the moon--Part II

    The knowledge of a round Earth is far older than any form of evolution you care to discuss. In other words, the idea that the Earth is round did not come from an evolutionary presupposition or mindset. It came from the fact that every person who ever saw a ship go to sea, saw it leave the view...
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    The earth is flat and we never went to the moon--Part II

    Here's a real view of Mt. San Jacinto from only about 30 or so miles away, which is much much much closer than the videographer/liar/conman claims to be...
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    The earth is flat and we never went to the moon--Part II

    The point isn't the misidentification, per se. The misidentification is the evidence that YOU don't know enough to even express an opinion about whether that video is real. And, my equipment being "bigger" than his is also not at all the point! The point is that I have spent my own money on the...
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    The earth is flat and we never went to the moon--Part II

    Actually, it is precisely that! That is, it is proof that the Earth is spinning on it's axis. It's called the preservation of angular momentum. LOOK IT UP, DAVID!!!! You're willing to spend dozens of hours wasting your time on mindless YouTube videos about a flat Earth, why not spend some...
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    The earth is flat and we never went to the moon--Part II

    What? No! You stupid nincompoop! It's called a Foucault Pendulum. Look it up or ask any sixth grader what one is.
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    The earth is flat and we never went to the moon--Part II

    I watched the video, fool! He didn't even call it and "micron astronomy camera" himself! And, incidentally, it isn't likely that the type of camera that you posted a picture of (which is NOT the one he used, by the way) would even be compatible with the that spotting scope. You're such a...
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