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Especially Elijah being told to anoint Hazael as king 0.o Elisha's tears aren't over Hazael killing Ben-hadad, but the other atrocities he'd do as king 🤔 *There are oddities in these accounts that could use a good deal more thought. It is why I have not pushed back too hard...

(1 Kings 19:15, 17 NKJV) Then the LORD said to him (Elijah prior to Elisha): “Go, return on your way to the Wilderness of Damascus; and when you arrive, anoint Hazael as king over Syria.” ... (17) “It shall be that whoever escapes the sword of Hazael, Jehu will kill; and whoever escapes the...

Note with me the progression: Hazael is sent by Ben-hadad to inquire. Hazael, hopeful Ben-hadad will die, is bothered and some of his schemes show on his face. Elisha starts crying. Hazael asks why, and Elisha is forward with information causing him and the Lord grief. Note that a...

Ah, I see where you were going further on point: That too isn't prophecy, but I do believe, with Clete that it is foreknowledge, with a departure between us on extent of foreknowledge respectively.

Meaning of the disease, yes? Not by disease but because Hazael was going to kill him if he didn't die of sickness. I don't believe 'spurring' but certainly the evil was loosened and the reason Elisha was crying. Hazael said "[Elisha] told me that thou shouldest surely recover." - Seems...

Awe, come'on Clete. You knew. I've been very clear I have been closely Amyraldian most of my life (not Catholic). What about you? Do you agree with any 5 points? 🤔 Which means I likely am not a Calvinist, right? My first disagreement this set: "Free" and 'bound' are so closely tied...

That is a good question too, but one may say "I disagree with Calvin on any number of points yet am a Calvinist." If as I'm reading Clete, you cannot be a Calvinist if you disagree with Calvin, then there would be few actual Calvinists indeed. I believe I agree with you, that even if one...

Southern Baptists are an eclectic group because they are independent and follow the theology of their local pastor and at times, the elders. In the SBC you'll find Open Theists, Calvinists, Charismatics, Snake-handers etc. etc.

Question: Does one have to agree with every point of John Calvin to be 'Calvinist?' While the particular parishioner was surprised, many who actually have read Calvin and know theology, wouldn't be surprised they disagree on any particular. For the Calvinist: Foreordination and...

:nono: Caveated isn't moved away. They are trying to explain what they believe, not move from it. Total inability is total depravity doctrine. They haven't moved away from it at all. You'll always see Romans 3:10-12 Isaiah 64:6 supporting total depravity. For the most part, I'm...

This yet is time-constrained. You are seeing the Almanac as 'written' and it is, in the future. While we say 'from before the world began' such is from God's perspective, not ours. When we read books or watch movies, the end it already done but 'we' don't know it until the end. There are...

Hilston wasn't the one bothered ;) Hilston was, I think borrowing from Westminster for the terms. All of us (even Open Theists) see a difference between God's intent and sin entering the world. The difference between my or other's theology vs. Open Theism is in the details. God wants...

It was that post, btw, when I first talked with him and he said he wasn't, however, as I've said, they are Reformed terms and generally are Calvinism. Perhaps Hilston adopted the terms without fully embracing the whole. I've got to take all at their face-value-word.

These terms tend to echo from Reformed theology and are Calvinism terms (thanks for the information). Hilston likely was influenced by these. Arminians rather, posit Atecedent Will and Consequent Will according to their understanding. As Knight said in the above linked thread, Open Theism...

Comments section is helpful on these. Some of the Riemmanian teachers/professors (Einstein math) do a good job of discussing the tenable and untenable points. MrZelduck had a few good critique points:

I've contacted Dr William Lane Craig. If he responds, I'll convey dialogue. I've talked a number of times with Hilston. He denies being a Calvinist for what it is worth.

I'm going to have to do more reading. From here: This would be a bit closer to what I believe and not unthinkable for an Open Theist. I'm not sure since it isn't Craig's quote but about what he believes.

It is an assertion anyway. The scripture you are asking for is rather not the proper request, from my theological viewpoint. Because time isn't a factor, the past is already as He willed it. Yep, I do! All analogies break down if you want to make absurd of them. You might as well claim...

I've seen the same statement from Calvinists almost verbatim. It seems projecting to me. Actually, for me, huge scripture hurdles that don't allow it. For instance, I yet literally know of even one 'failed' prophecy. I'd have to be aware of at least one to be an Open Theist. Derf...

As I said, I like Calvinists. As far as embracing Calvinism, I might better be called Amyraldian. I'm not really hung up on monikers. I'm wide-read in my theology education. While Westminster 'seems' supralapsarian, the reasoning isn't as inconsistent as many believe (even among...