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Ran across this today. It looks promising, I'm just wondering how accessible it is. It's precisely the sort of thing I'd like to pick up before reading Tillich--a systematic and historical study of faith. :e4e:

I can't believe I spent so much time in that silly thread. And the whole time I saw your name at the bottom and my conscience bit at me, saying I should be replying to you instead.

Wow yeah, it is right up there with the Mall of America in Minnesota. I like the Lego store too. I always bring Jolly Ranchers to lure the kids away from the more expansive lego-construction areas. What..? We both win! :second: :noid:

Hi kmo.

I just came by for a bit, won't be here long.

Hanging in there, and I hope things are well with you.

Whitehead remains somewhat of a constant interest for me. His thinking was what triggered my interest in metaphysical questions, which is quite contrary to the hermenutical theology which dominates my faculty. Skeptical of quite a few of Whitehead's doctrines, particularly on God (I would definitely say I agree more with Hart), but I still love reading it or about it, as an intellectual curiousity.
Never to around to reading the latter half of Adventure of Ideas, but I have caught up now.

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That fallacious portrait of God is so tired. It makes me a bit sad sometimes, because it seems like it pops up all the time, even when I'm sure that I have attempted to correct it at least 10 times on this forum. :chuckle: Saw a review of Hart's book that said it was a must read for atheists, I can definitely agree with that.

Liking the book?

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I'm doing alright. Reading through "Adventures of Ideas" by Whitehead, which is quite interesting, and still working on Tolstoy.

How far are you in Hart's book?

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Well, I'm glad you had a sandwich. Sounds like an interesting mall. Is it just a standard mall?

How is it going?

Dared to start reading Bonhoeffer yet? :chuckle:

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Finally! I don't think I could have made it another day without you. lain: How was Philly? Did you have a sandwich? If not, why did you go?

This year it is extra long. July & August. :e4e:

I just noticed that it was your birthday recently, happy belated birthday!

I have no doubts that H&G had prepared a nice surprise for you... lain:

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Maybe you will unlock your potential to be the greatest alpaca whisperer there ever was. Imagine the intellectual wealth that is hidden in their intellects.

That is an interesting theory. Such multiverse theories would be interesting theories to consider in relation to theology.

Weekend was ok. Attended the obligatory first aid course for my drivers licence. Absolutely ridiculous course, 2 hours of common sense which I could easily have just read myself.

I may have looked something like this http://colddogsoup.files.wordpress.com/2012/11/20121130-135553.jpg during parts of the presentation.

Ah, belated birthday wishes...:cheers:

Just about getting through. How's you? Hope you had a good birthday?

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So you're saying that the only thing you remember is the question about masturbation? :nono: His course is free online now. You can get at it from the link I sent you. I haven't watched it yet, but I'll try to fish out this topic.

Ah, you do have cycle A! Good. You do realize that there are churches in other towns? It's true that sometimes interpretations can be overused or stretched. There is a synopsis of the senses here (at 115).

You'll likely be required to become a full-time TOLer. :sheep:

In my ethics class we read from Michael Sandel's famous book Justice. It is very good and I sometimes read it for fun. Tonight I was reading it and he came out strongly against TH's understanding of law (as well as all of modern liberal political philosophy). This surprised me not only because he is a American non-Catholic, but also because he is one of the greatest living political philosophers. In that way it's a bit like when one of the most learned Protestants converts to Catholicism (e.g. Newman?).

Sandel is hearkening back to the general tenor of Plato and Aristotle (via Alasdair MacIntyre) against the modern "social contract" philosophers. It's related to our discussion, and hopefully I can start a thread on it soon. That is also a book you would probably enjoy. :e4e:

American...or Protestant!? :shocked: :IA: :chuckle: Pieper is very good on the big picture, but he doesn't give much practical advice. He readily admits that this is the case.

It is the Catholic Church, after all. lain:

Thanks for the excerpt. I am familiar with the NT commentary, but not the Old. I am glad you are getting some of the church fathers. Recently I told you that the Church traditionally identifies both a literal and spiritual sense of scriptural interpretation. The spiritual sense is sub-divided into three, and one is the "anagogical," which relates to Christ and the eschaton. The OT commentary you quote is a standard example of the anagogical sense of scripture being applied. Is that also from Jerome? :think: If you had the "Year A" cycle you could go to daily mass and hear them read and preached on.

I meant to also tell you about a book I am reading. It's Pieper's classic on leisure, and an essay on the philosophical act is added to it (I'm about halfway through the second essay). It's pretty short and I think you'd like it. It's something like an elucidation of the Sabbath commandment and an explanation of the importance of leisure in contrast with servile work. He was writing to post-war Germany's inability to be leisurely and grant their lives meaning by seeing beyond the world of work--to contemplate creation and transcend our means-ends oriented everyday life. It seems largely applicable to the U.S. today. :e4e:

Cool, enjoy the trip!

Lenovo is my default choice at the moment. I'll probably opt for one of their G-Series laptops. I'm trying to avoid the touchscreen options, and I feel like an old-school coder who scoffed at the then-new GUI text editors (because they were faster with a keyboard than with a keyboard and a mouse).

He's impartial: it was translated into Hebrew to take care of the Jews too. lain:

I've been playing it for over 2 years now :chuckle: There is an absolute ridiculous level of depth to the game. Each team of five picks one "hero" each, there are currently 105 heroes to pick from. Each hero has a variety of skills that you upgrade as you level up in the match. There are also over 100 items that you can buy for your hero using gold you earn during the match. Quite fun, very focused on playing together as team.

Maybe idolatry is not the right word, the philosophical speculation may be true and I would argue that it is absolutely necessary, but permanently residing in that realm of thought might betray, by being an excuse, the call to discipleship and action that I think is far more central in the teachings of Jesus.

Any summer vacation for you?

It is currently 87 degrees here, that is far too hot for me :chuckle:

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:chuckle: That makes sense.

I just started Thomas' Summa Contra Gentiles and I've really enjoyed it so far. He begins with a long explanation of how philosophy fits into the Christian life and worldview and where its usefulness ends, etc. He also talks about faith in its relation to knowledge and how revelation relates to philosophy.

Have you left for Philly yet? Also, what kind of computer do you have? I'm in the market. :think: 'Looking for something cheap.

I was wrong, the grand final is today Starts in 8 hours. But I have watched some of the other matches, it is quite entertaining. It helps that I play the game myself though, so I have a decent understanding of the mechanics.

I take it that your Bible now has "neighbor" crudely striked out and replaced with "alpaca" with crayon lain:

I think Bonhoeffer is quite convicting to most people :chuckle: Think his critique of "cheap grace" is very much needed for the church today though.

I agree with your assessment . Philosophical theology is a necessity for apologetics as well making sure that theology stays in contact with reality. But lingering in the lofty metaphysics at the cost of the lived Christian life can become a form of idolatry.

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I hate to break this to you Count but spinach isn't the same as a sprout, something that even in the singular you have zero chance of possessing...

It's okay. Cat/house sitting for my neighbour at the moment so it's a bit of a break...

Hope yours is going well?

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