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No. I do not make circular statements like that.
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You were circular in post #597. Read it.
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#597, "I've acknowledged God's word such that anyone can see that acknowledgement."
You used a verb to define itself as a noun form. Anyone can see that is circular.
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Read slower.
"I have acknowledged God's word [in a way] that anyone can see [my] acknowledgement."
I think your use of "such" confuzzled him.
Arthur Brain
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A five year old is incapable of committing a crime, let alone a capital one so it's absolutely true, not false in any way. This is why we have sensible laws that take into account age where it comes to actions. A five year old is an infant, not anywhere near enough developed to be held as accountable as an adult and your feeble mantra of "saying it doesn't make it so" does not help you here. Everything is against your position here, everything rational at any rate including basic logic and common sense. The Bible doesn't help you either. You'll find no verse that supports your twisted posit. Are the laws correct as they stand whereby an adult having sex with a ten year old is guilty of child rape? Are you going to just ignore that again? Your latter little "quip" is sadly ironic.
Arthur Brain
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Hmm, do you agree with JR that children as young as five should be tried, convicted and executed for somehow committing capital crimes? Cos if that's "light" then wow, am I glad not to be part of it. Sick beyond words frankly. What say you? Or are you just gonna shuffle away from it as you have previous?
If a five year old commits a capital crime, the only just punishment is the death penalty.
The laws that satisfy your corrupted conscience do not qualify as "sensible."
No, a five year old is not an infant.
A five year old is a pre-schooler.
Saying it doesn't make it so.
False.
False.
False.
I have given you the verses that are applicable. That you reject them does not mean that there are none.
Don't change the topic.
If a child commits a capital crime, he should be put to death.
Arthur Brain
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A five year old can't commit a capital crime and the laws we have in place rightfully take age into account. That's why we have laws that protect children from the likes of what you advocate and why we have ones that rightfully prosecute an adult having sex with a ten year old for child rape because the ten year old is a minor. Something that you still fail to address and that is not "changing the topic", it's entirely relevant in relation. If you consider it righteous to execute five year old kids for "committing a capital crime" then how about a child twice that age being held accountable for having sex if they expressed their consent? As it stands they're regarded as too young to be able to do so so how about you just answer the question?
"Corrupted conscience"? Yeah, I ain't perfect by any stretch but wow, calling for the execution of five year old kids is not something I'm gonna have on mine. You have not provided any applicable Bible verses at all as outlined several times previously and nor will you be able to, as I suspect you well know.
If a child commits a capital crime, he should be put to death.
The laws we have are unjust.
Still trying to change the subject.
Because you hate righteousness.
Yes I have, as outlined several times previously.
False.
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When I used to participate in this conversation I would always refer to the two 10-year-olds who deliberately planned and carried out the murder of https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murder_of_James_Bulger
It provides a specific example of a case where the facts are known and you can argue more effectively, I believe, with regard to a specific case than in terms of generalities
Arthur Brain
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A five year old child can't commit such a crime whether male or female. The laws we have that reflect this fact are based on the obvious, such as cognitive development or at such a young age - the lack thereof. The laws we have are thankfully grounded in reason, common sense and not 'out there' religious zealotry ran amok.
It's not changing the subject at all as you well know. It's entirely relevant in relation to your posit. If you're going to advocate for children as young as five to be accountable for their actions to the point of putting them to death then a ten year old must surely be cognizant of their actions if they give consent to have sex with an adult. The laws as they stand have that as child rape. Reason - the child is a minor and not deemed old enough to be able to give it and rightfully so. You? Can't even give an answer can you? This is what happens when you have an indefensible position JR. You can't retain consistency. If you agree that the above is child rape then in no way can a five year old be guilty of a capital crime. Heck, Bob Enyart didn't advocate this stuff that I can recall...
No, I hate downright twisted, warped and sickening garbage such as five year old kids being put to death. If that makes me 'hate righteousness' then eh, I'm evil incarnate.
Nope, you haven't and nor will you now, further today or somewhere down the line. There's a reason why others don't support your sickening notion on this even if they remain silent on the issue (besides Jefferson to give him his due and blew your position out of the water). There is none.
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Only if magical thinking is your thing.
Wrong. Check out the Cosmic Skeptic on youtube. He was raised Catholic, an atheist in high school and got a theology degree at Oxford and found no compelling reason to believe in God. Even advanced apologists grant atheists room for uncertainty, and do not suggest skepticism is simply borne of stubbornness.
What evidence suggest they destroy themselves? And, how does 9% of the population cause such havoc in the entire society? It seems nonsensical.
Provide evidence that sexual abuse is the cause of homosexuality if you can. I think the evidence you may try to provide will meet the definition of propaganda more than the current psychiatric view of sexual orientation. Let's see.
Your zealous and narcissistic vision of God and yourself chuckling together is telling. One of us is suffering from hubris.
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What does the Bible say?
PureX
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Your beliefs about reality do not define reality. They are just your beliefs. Your idea of God is not God. It's just your idea of God. This is true of all of us whether we are willing to recognize it or not. Which is why we become dishonest and inhumane when we do refuse to recognize it. As you are refusing to do.
This desperate need to pretend that you're idea of God, is God, (that you are unquestionably and undoubtably "right" about it) is making a fool of you. When a person can't be wrong they can't learn, anymore. They become unteachable. They become belligerent and dismissive in the face of any new information or perspective, and antagonistic to anyone that dares the share their own understanding with them. All in the desperate defense of their self-assumed "inerrant" righteousness.
The cure is to let go of that drug of self-righteousness and seek the divine spirit of love and forgiveness and kindness and generosity within, instead of these delusions of righteousness. But self-righteousness is very addicting, and difficult to give up. And that is sad for those who have come to depend on it so completely for their own sense of value and identity.
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PureX
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Just seeing words on a page will look like "word salad" to a child that has not yet learned how to read them. Fortunately, most children are willing to try and learn how. Not so for some adults.
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Ad hominem much?
Right.
Are you convinced by that?
Me neither!
That might have something to do with Catholicism being more than half false and the fact that the closer you get to Oxford the further from the truth and reality you're probably getting, especially when it comes to theology.
You do have to look in the right places.
I couldn't care less what "apologists" whoever that happens to refer too, grant.
It seems nonsensical because you're stubbornly stupid. (It's not anywhere near 9% of the population, by the way. You really do need to put down the propaganda bong you're smoking.)
They (homesexuals) didn't even deny it until maybe two or three decades ago. Before 1990 everyone knew that homosexuality was a mental disorder caused (primarily) by prolonged abuse (usually sexual) experienced between the ages of 5 and 8 years of age. NAMBLA (The North American Man Boy Love Association), an association who's very existence is criminal, knew that this was true and used it as a strategy. Their slogan was (and probably still is), "Sex before eight or it's too late!".
Also, nearly all child molestation is a man molesting a boy (i.e. homosexual). This is why it creates homosexuals. Young boys are just figuring out that they are a boy during that time between the ages of 5 and 8 and so if their first sexual experiences are with a man then the confusion that happens is understandable.
You don't have to believe me. Go find a homo somewhere and ask him whether he knows anyone who was molested as a child. He might start with all the several friends he has that he knows of but keep him talking long enough and he'll tell you about his experience as well. It is close enough to being universally true, that if you successfully stopped child molestation, homosexuals would be virtually extinct within a generation, especially considering that their life expectancy is 20+ years shorter than the general population. (i.e. they generally die in their late 40s to mid 50s). In effect, homosexuals reproduce by molesting children.
(In fairness, I should point out that child molestation is not THE cause of homosexuality, it is more complex than that. And also, while most homosexuals were the victims of molestation and other forms of child abuse, the reverse is not the case. Most homosexuals do not molest children.)
Try peer reviewed science by BOTH Christian and pro-homo researchers that confirm eachother's work.
Yet Another Study Confirms Gay Life Expectancy 20 Years Shorter - LifeSite
by LifeSiteNews.com
www.lifesitenews.com
Does Homosexuality Shorten Life?
Abstract:
Previous estimates from obituaries and pre-1994 sex surveys suggested that the median age of death for homosexuals is less than 50 yr. Four contemporary databases were used to test that estimate: (1) obituaries in the homosexual press from 1993 through 1997 reflected treatment success for those with AIDS but suggested a median age of death less than 50 years; (2) two large random sexuality surveys in 1994--one in the USA and the other in Britain--yielded results consistent with a median age of death for homosexuals of less than 50 years; (3) the median age of those ever married in Denmark, Sweden, and Norway was about 50 years, while that of the ever homosexually partnered was about 40 yr; further, the married were about 5 times more apt to be old and 4 times less apt to be widowed young; and (4) intravenous drug abusers and homosexuals taking HIV tests in Colorado had almost identical age distributions. The four lines of evidence were consistent with previous findings suggesting that homosexual activity may be associated with a lifespan shortened by 20 to 30 years.
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I never made such a claim, so you're punching the air there.
And yours are too.
Nor yours.
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Nonsense.
You continue to beat straw-men. You cannot discuss facts. Do they scare you?
I have no self-righteousness. I rely on the righteousness of the Lord Jesus Christ. You cannot know Him as you reject His Word.