You do not go to Heaven or to Hell, when you die..

[Derf]

OK, there are lots of verses about judgment. How do you relate any of the ones that you just quoted as "occurring when Christ returns"?

Most of those occur at least 1000 years after Christ returns. Certainly eternal judgement is after the millennial kingdom.

So they show that the "day" of judgment can last 1000 years.

But besides that, there are two times of judgment given in Rev 20, one at the beginning and one at the end of the 1000 years.

Revelation 20:4-6 (KJV) 4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and [I saw] the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received [his] mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years. 5 But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This [is] the first resurrection. 6 Blessed and holy [is] he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.

You can see how these souls were judged worthy (based on the tribulations they endured) and that judgment came when they were resurrected, and then they began to reign with Christ for 1000 years.

 

[Right Divider]

So they show that the "day" of judgment can last 1000 years.

Disagree.

But besides that, there are two times of judgment given in Rev 20, one at the beginning and one at the end of the 1000 years.

OK, agree.

Revelation 20:4-6 (KJV) 4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and [I saw] the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received [his] mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years. 5 But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This [is] the first resurrection. 6 Blessed and holy [is] he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.

You can see how these souls were judged worthy (based on the tribulations they endured) and that judgment came when they were resurrected, and then they began to reign with Christ for 1000 years.

Indeed, this is the difference between two types of judgments. Thanks for the clarification.

 

[Derf]

Disagree.

OK, agree.

Indeed, this is the difference between two types of judgments. Thanks for the clarification.

And between two times of judgment.

 

[Right Divider]

And between two times of judgment.

At minimum.

 

[Derf]

At minimum.

What, and who do you think those two types of judgement are focused on?

 

[DAN P]

Luke 16 doesn't actually say Lazarus and Abraham are in hell/hades. Go read it again.

And the KJV in Luke 16:23 uses Hell /Hades , and used some 10x .

dan p

 

[Sherman]

This is a bit edgy for the ECT so I moved it.

 

[Derf]

And the KJV in Luke 16:23 uses Hell /Hades , and used some 10x .

dan p

How does it use it in Luke 16:23? Who is the subject?

 

[Sherman]

This is a Seventh Day Adventist doctrine.

 

[Derf]

This is a Seventh Day Adventist doctrine.

Does that make it wrong?
"Much of the theology of the Seventh-day Adventist Church corresponds to common evangelical Christian teachings, such as the Trinityand the infallibility of Scripture." Is the trinity wrong because the SDAs believe it?

 

[way 2 go]

Joh 11:26 and everyone who lives and believes in me shall never die. Do you believe this?”

 

[Derf]

Joh 11:26 and everyone who lives and believes in me shall never die. Do you believe this?”

For sure. Just as it was meant, following this:
John 11:25 (NKJV) Jesus said to her, “I am the resurrection and the life. He who believes in Me, though he may die, he shall live.

 

[Hoping]

Joh 11:26 and everyone who lives and believes in me shall never die. Do you believe this?”

I believe it.

 

[Hoping]

This is a Seventh Day Adventist doctrine.

Which part?
I haven't read enough of the thread to know what you are referring to.

 

[Sherman]

Soul Sleep.