Archangels............Beginning Angels.....
Is there more than Archangel Mickael?
Archangels............Beginning Angels.....
Is there more than Archangel Mickael?
That's clever, identifying them like that, but isn't it more likely the 7 angelic "names" are rather titles that were passed down? What I mean is... multiple people might be linked to each... and they all might be correct. It isn't a 1-1 correspondence.
Well, if you simply say Ezra the Kohen and Scribe have you not included the whole Torah?
(Which he rewrote in the new Ashuri script).
And how much else did Ezra write? (I think no one knows for sure).
And I also think he was probably a Naziyr, (which would explain much concerning Isaiah).
It's always fun when we arrive at the same place using different methods. I got here by understanding that this:
was modeled on this:
...with a little help from this:
Revelation 5:6
Is there more than Archangel Mickael?
Is there more than Archangel Mickael?
Is.11:1. And there shall come forth a rod out of the stem of Jesse, and a Branch shall grow out of his roots:
2And the spirit of the LORD shall rest upon him, the spirit of wisdom and understanding, the spirit of counsel and might, the spirit of knowledge and of the fear of the LORD;
LORD, wisdom, understanding and counsel, might, knowledge and fear of the Lord. All have a Spirit.
Michael is one of Seven. I'm sorry but I don't know for sure which one is Michael? I am too wrapped up in wisdom.
God has made them all One through the death of his Son.
Col.1:15. who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of all creation;
16for in him were all things created, in the heavens and upon the earth, things visible and things invisible, whether thrones or dominions or principalities or powers; all things have been created through him, and unto him;
17and he is before all things, and in him all things consist.
18And he is the head of the body, the church: who is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead; that in all things he might have the preeminence.
Rev.1:5. and from Jesus Christ the faithful witness, the firstborn of the dead, and the ruler of kings on earth.
Maybe daqq knows which one is Michael?
Peace.
That's a deep-ish rabbit hole... God took Moses up on a mountain to show him the pattern to make the tabernacle and all the associated stuff. That's because the congregation was modeled on the night sky.Wow, seriously, that sounds like something you most definitely should be posting about, (but I can also understand why you would not have a thread such as that in a place like this). If you would like to share your understanding here please do, or if not, perhaps you might send me a PM with a link, that is, if you have the info somewhere online?
thank you daqq,
I understood that arch means head, meaning it should be only one head messenger.
that's why I asked this question.
It's always fun when we arrive at the same place using different methods. I got here by understanding that this:
was modeled on this:
...with a little help from this:
Revelation 5:6
That's a deep-ish rabbit hole... God took Moses up on a mountain to show him the pattern to make the tabernacle and all the associated stuff. That's because the congregation was modeled on the night sky.
Here's some astronomical/astrological facts, and you connect the dots (pun intended).
There are many constellations but only 12 are part of the zodiac.
If you could see the stars during the day, rotating the same direction as the sun, it would appear that the sun was riding on top of certain constellations. 12 constellations to be exact, and now you know what makes a zodiac sign part of the zodiac.
Draw a line through all the signs of the zodiac, and you have a circle/ellipse.
Put a pin in the middle of that circle. You now have the center or apex of your map of the night sky. That pin would be in the constellation Cepheus.
The constellation Cepheus depicts a king seated on a throne.
Just in front of that throne are the constellations Draco and Ursa Minor. Draco is a dragon or "that old serpent" if you like. Ursa Minor means 'little bear,' but since Moses didn't have any bears in his neighborhood, the Israelites saw it as a little sheep instead.
Revelation 5:6
Ursa minor is composed of 7 major stars. You probably know this constellation better as the Little Dipper. 4 stars form the ladle, and three more form the handle.
Stars and angels are the same thing in Revelation. And Ezekiel. And Enoch. Ok, in most Jewish books. Eyes are part of the same metaphor too.
So, a king on His throne, with a lamb in front of him, surrounded by 12 symbols... yeah this is the assembly gathered around the tabernacle.
That should be enough. But if not, look up the standards/banners that the each tribe gathered under. If you guessed that they were mostly identical to the zodiac signs, you would be right.
John 10:1-10
1 Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that enters not by the door into the fold of the sheep, but climbs up some other way, that one is a thief and a robber.
2 But he that enters in by the door is the shepherd of the sheep:
3 To him the doorkeeper opens, and the sheep hear his voice: and he calls his own sheep by name, and leads them out.
4 When he has put forth all his own, he goes before them, and the sheep follow him: for they know his voice.
5 And a stranger they will not follow, but will flee from him: for they know not the voice of strangers.
6 This parable Yeshua spoke to them: but they understood not what things they were which he spoke to them.
7 Yeshua therefore said to them again, Verily, verily, I say unto you, I am the door of the sheep.
8 As many as all having come are thieves and robbers: but the sheep did not hear them.
9 I am the door: if anyone through me enters in, he shall be delivered, and shall go in and go out, and shall find pasture.
10 The thief comes not but to steal, and to slaughter, and to destroy: I came that they may have life and may have it abundantly.
Let not your spirit be that of a hireling, thief, robber, or wolf, but a sheep:
Raphael, one of the holy Malakim, the one over the spirits of mankind.
Yeshua Says, I am the Door of the sheep (Raphael) - John 10:7-9
John 10:11-15
11 I am the good shepherd: the good shepherd lays down his soul for the sheep.
12 He that is a hireling and not a shepherd, whose own the sheep are not, beholds the wolf coming, and leaves the sheep, and flees, and the wolf snatches them and scatters them:
13 He flees because he is a hireling and cares nothing for the sheep.
14 I am the good shepherd, and I know mine own, and mine own know me:
15 Even as the Father knows me, and I know the Father; and I lay down my soul for the sheep.
Miykael, one of the holy Malakim, who is appointed over the noble good of the people.
Yeshua Says, I am the Good Shepherd (Miykael) - John 10:11-14
John 11:25-26
25 Yeshua said to her, I am the resurrection and the life: the one that is faithfully-trusting into me, though dying off, yet shall live:
26 And whosoever lives and is faithfully-trusting into me shall absolutely not die off into the aiona. Do you believe this?
Remiel, one of the holy Malakim, whom Eloah set over those that rise.
Yeshua Says, I am the Resurrection and the Life (Remiel) - John 11:25
John 14:6
6 Yeshua said to him, I am the way, and the truth, and the life: no one comes unto the Father if not through me.
Genesis 3:23-24
23 Therefore YHWH Elohim sent him forth from Gan Eden to till the adamah-soil from which he was taken.
24 And He drove out the adam; and He caused to dwell at the forefront of Gan Eden the Kerubim, and a blazing sword which turned every way, to keep the Way of the tree of Life.
Daniel 10:21 (Gabriel)
21 But I announce to you that which is noted in the Writing of Truth, and there is none strengthening himself with me, concerning these, except Miykael, your head-prince.
Gabriel, one of the holy Malakim, the one over the Paradise, the Seraphim, and Kerubim.
Yeshua Says, I am the Way, and the Truth, and the Life (Gabriel) - John 14:6
John 15:1-5
1 I am the true vine: and my Father is the Husbandman.
2 Every branch in me that does not bear fruit, He takes it away: and every branch that bears fruit, He prunes it, that it may bear more fruit.
3 Already you are clean because of the Logos-Word which I have spoken unto you.
4 Abide in me, and I in you, just as the branch cannot bear fruit of itself, except it abide in the vine: in this manner neither can you, if you do not abide in me.
5 I am the vine, you are the branches: the one abiding in me, and I in him, the same bears much fruit: for apart from me you can do nothing.
Sariel, one of the holy Malakim, the one over the spirits which transgress against the Spirit.
Yeshua Says, I am the True Vine (Sariel) - John 15:1-5
Enoch 20:1-8
1 These are the names of the holy Malakim ha-Notzerim:
2 Uriel, one of the holy Malakim, the one over the kosmos and tartaros.
3 Raphael, one of the holy Malakim, the one over the spirits of mankind.
4 Raguel, one of the holy Malakim, the one avenging the kosmos of the luminaries.
5 Miykael, one of the holy Malakim, who is appointed over the noble good of the people.
6 Sariel, one of the holy Malakim, the one over the spirits which transgress against the Spirit.
7 Gabriel, one of the holy Malakim, the one over the Paradise, the Seraphim, and Kerubim.
8 Remiel, one of the holy Malakim, whom Eloah set over those that rise.
John 18:4-9
4 Yeshua therefore, knowing all those things that were coming upon him, issued forth and said to them, Whom do you seek?
5 They answered him, Yeshua ha-Natsorai, he said to them, I am [Yeshua ha-Natsorai ― ― ― ― ― ― ―]! Moreover Yhudas who delivered him up was also standing with them:
6 In the manner therefore that he said to them, I am [Yeshua ha-Natsorai-Raguel-Uriel-Raphael-Miykael-Remiel-Gabriel-Sariel]! they went backward and fell to the earth.
7 He then asked them again, Whom do you seek? And they said, Yeshua ha-Natsorai.
8 Yeshua answered, I have told you that I am; [Yeshua ha-Natsorai] if therefore you seek me, let these go their way:
9 So that the word which he spoke might be fulfilled, Of them which You gave to me, none have I lost.
Yeshua Says, I am the Bread of Life (Emmanuel-Raguel) - John 6:20, 35, 48, 51, Mark 6:50
Yeshua Says, I am the Light of the Kosmos (Uriel) - John 8:12, 24, 28, 58, 9:5, Matthew 14:27
Yeshua Says, I am the Door of the sheep (Raphael) - John 10:7-9
Yeshua Says, I am the Good Shepherd (Miykael) - John 10:11-14
Yeshua Says, I am the Resurrection and the Life (Remiel) - John 11:25
Yeshua Says, I am the Way, and the Truth, and the Life (Gabriel) - John 14:6
Yeshua Says, I am the True Vine (Sariel) - John 15:1-5
Thank you daqq, I tried to get these out of the Zohar.
Peace to you.
The reason why I say Sariel-Phanuel (Yaakob-YiSra'el) is because sariy is actually found in that text:
Genesis 32:24-31 KJV
24 And Jacob was left alone; and there wrestled a man with him until the breaking of the day.
25 And when he saw that he prevailed not against him, he touched the hollow of his thigh; and the hollow of Jacob's thigh was out of joint, as he wrestled with him.
26 And he said, Let me go, for the day breaketh. And he said, I will not let thee go, except thou bless me.
27 And he said unto him, What is thy name? And he said, Jacob.
28 And he said, Thy name shall be called no more Jacob, but Israel: for as a prince hast thou power with God and with men, and hast prevailed.
29 And Jacob asked him, and said, Tell me, I pray thee, thy name. And he said, Wherefore is it that thou dost ask after my name? And he blessed him there.
30 And Jacob called the name of the place Peniel: for I have seen God face to face, and my life is preserved.
31 And as he passed over Penuel the sun rose upon him, and he halted upon his thigh.
"Your name shall no more be called Yaakob, but YiS(a)ra'el: ["He is S(a)ra'el"] for as a prince [sariy] have you been with Elohim, and with men, and have prevailed."
28 וַיֹּ֗אמֶר vai·yo·mer [And he said] לֹ֤א lo [not] יַעֲקֹב֙ ya·'a·kov [Yaakob] יֵאָמֵ֥ר ye·'a·mer [shall be called] עוֹד֙ 'od [any longer] שִׁמְךָ֔ shim·cha [your name] כִּ֖י ki for אִם־ 'im- [but] יִשְׂרָאֵ֑ל Yis·ra·'el [Yis-ra'el] כִּֽי־ ki- [because] שָׂרִ֧יתָ sa·riy·ta [as a prince have you been (·ta)] עִם־ 'im- [with] אֱלֹהִ֛ים E·lo·Him [Elohim] וְעִם־ ve·'im- [and with] אֲנָשִׁ֖ים 'a·na·shim [men] וַתּוּכָֽל׃ vat·tu·chal [and have prevailed].
The Malak is thus very likely Sariy'el-YiSra'el-Phanu'el
And he gives Yaakob his name . . .
I do find it interesting. I knew I was missing something in Genesis 15. Thanks much; I can tell this is going to be one of those things that opens many doors.Although most here would likely find this appalling I think you might find it quite interesting that this ancient symbolism of the journey of the soul to the heavens upon death is actually found in the very earliest portions of Genesis. In fact it concerns the covenant with Abraham which appears to have been misread or pointed incorrectly in the Masorete Hebrew Text, (nashab-disperse for yashab-dwell-sit while nashab still does not even appear to be in the text despite the modern English renderings to the contrary), which is unfortunate because without this symbolism there are many prophetic statements and curious things said by both Moses and the Prophets which cannot be understood apart from this ancient symbolism.
It may be connected, but 'stars' are one of the extended metaphors and symbols used consistently throughout all Bible books. Also one of the more important topics in virtually all ancient religion. One more branch for a big tree, IMO.Even the idea that the descendants of Abraham would be as the stars of the heavens comes from this symbolism.
Abraham had quite a history with furnaces, didn't he? In the Midrash, Nimrod threw him into one. And there's this story in Jubilees.Other key symbols are also in the Hebrew such as tannur "fire pot", (little "lake of fire"?).
This I was aware of - the Ark bears the dimensions of an ossuary. It almost seems relevant that the Hebrews only ever buried the bones of their dead after they were excoriated by natural processes.. . . So Moshe like a Cherub took up the bones of Yoseph out of Egypt, when bnei Yisrael went forth out of Egypt, (O Egypt, great of flesh!), for Yoseph had straightly sworn bnei Yisrael, saying, Elohim will surely visit you; and you shall carry up my bones out of here with you, (for when they had spiced-embalmed the body of Yoseph, they placed his carcass in an Ark in Egypt, (and the stone coffer was of the same cubic internal volume as the Ark-box of the Covenant with the Krubim on the atonement cover)). . .
I do find it interesting. I knew I was missing something in Genesis 15. Thanks much; I can tell this is going to be one of those things that opens many doors.
Matthew 24:28 springs to mind, as I read this. Wonder if this figures into the communion meal symbology? Or the caduceus.
Also, the first rank of initiates of Mithraism (which has many parallels to early Christianity) was the Corax (raven).