Woman in Germany dragged into Subway by crowd of Muslims and brutally raped.

[ok doser]

Nobody can condone rape or the mistreatment of women...

:think:

con·done kənˈdōn/ verb verb: condone; 3rd person present: condones; past tense: condoned; past participle: condoned; gerund or present participle: condoning accept and allow (behavior that is considered morally wrong or offensive) to continue.

so you're not gonna allow it to continue?

how are you planning on doing that?

 

[Krsto]

They are most definitely a large menace in Germany, which is what we were talking about. Unable to follow the point?

Very few of those arrested were Syrian, or refugees. There were even Americans, Serbians, and Germans arrested. But of course you were told they were a mob of Syrian refugees, right? Most were from the former French colonies of Morocco, Algeria, and Tunisia, none of which have a refugee crisis. One thing they all had in common? They were all drunk. Sorry for your confusion brewmama.

 

[zoo22]

In a way, that there might be pieces of reality buried in his insanity maybe makes it even worse, because when reality is framed within distortions and lies, it makes it impossible to speak to it rationally. How can you have a real conversation about a topic when that topic is buried within a framework of lies?

Change the nation in the thread title and it's the same discussion.

First, no it's not. Nazaroo's intent is to disparage Muslim refugees/immigrants, not to condemn rape. That's his "discussion." Anyone who is even vaguely aware of Nazaroo's threads and says he intended otherwise is either full of crap, blind, or as delusional as he is.

But besides that, you're allowing Nazaroo to frame a "discussion" on a topic you take seriously? You might as well go shout about it alongside a raving lunatic on a street corner who's waving a sign that says the moon landing was faked and David Bowie is alive and being protected by a global network of pedophile lawyers.

Seriously. You care about a topic and you're spending your time having a "discussion" about it led by Nazaroo. What in the world do you expect to accomplish?

Pictures of "Screw Islam!" jackets and Christians arguing the finer points of which women deserve to be raped. That's the "discussion" this thread has generated.

Never, never let his crazed avalanche of misinformation slide because one afternoon you find something you agree with buried inside it. By doing so, you do reality a disservice.

Everybody makes mistakes.

Of course. Everybody makes mistakes. Like I said, Manson has probably made some astute and accurate criticisms of modern culture. Personally, I don't think he should be framing the conversation.

 

[kmoney]

Somewhat.

That said, it's a prudential matter which appertains to historic, contingent events. There's nothing intrinsically wrong about refusing certain people entry into a country.

Not even when those 'certain' people are an entire race or religion?

That said, even I am forced to admit that such a thing would be gravely and intrinsically contrary to the natural law.

Good. :up:

But bars on immigration? The death penalty for certain classes of criminals? Bombing runs against legitimate military targets?

All of that is fair game. The question is precisely what circumstances justify them. That's a prudential question.

Yes it is.

Of course, even this raises a problem: the pope is much more virtuous than I am, on both the natural and supernatural levels.

:chuckle:

On the other hand, it does seem to me that he is further removed from the circumstances at hand.

Meaning?

 

[1PeaceMaker]

Very few of those arrested were Syrian, or refugees. There were even Americans, Serbians, and Germans arrested. But of course you were told they were a mob of Syrian refugees, right? Most were from the former French colonies of Morocco, Algeria, and Tunisia, none of which have a refugee crisis. One thing they all had in common? They were all drunk. Sorry for your confusion brewmama.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kBGuMeC7qnQ

Many of these men spoke Arabic and did not even speak German, according to this eyewitness.

 

[jgarden]

Your statement is a trivial truism.
No Christian would argue against or be ignorant of the gospel basics.

But its an incomplete gospel, since the New Testament also speaks strongly against
lying and fraud, and aiding and abetting evil conspirators.


The issues have always been:

(1) who are the REAL refugees?

Its been shown and its an open fact that the majority of the 'Syrian refugees' are
not from Syria and not refugees. They are not immediately fleeing from that warzone,
but are dissatisfied with their economic position in Turkey, Kurdistan, Pakistan, Afghanistan,
India, Morocco, Egypt, Lebanon, Iraq, and Iran, and also Eastern European countries.

Its been shown that they are not real 'refugees' but middle class and working class families
with means and resources who can raise thousands of dollars per family to
pay for illegal human smuggling operations, nice clothing etc., and who are demanding
welfare enrollment, high grade housing in Europe, and freedom to impose their own laws
upon countries that already have laws, legal systems, community values and democracy.


(2) How many of the 'refugee' claimants are fakes?

Its been admitted by the 'Syrian refugees' themselves that some 60% of them have
destroyed their own passports and I.D. to frustrate police from finding out where they
are from, and their previous criminal and political histories.
Its been acknowledged that over half of them refuse to be fingerprinted or photographed
for identification purposes.
Its been established by actual polls of the 'refugees' that 7 to 15% of them support
ISIS and other terrorist extremist groups, like Al Queda etc.


(3) What is the correct solution to the problem?

It is obvious that mass immigration of many millions of people from the Middle East and
Africa to Europe is not going to solve anything.
Instead it will greatly damage all the European infrastructure, overload any health and
housing meant for the poor, and exhaust any resources meant for real people in need.
It is admitted by real Syrian refugees in camps that the majority of them want to return '
to their own country Syria and have their property and their lives back in a peaceful zone.
The correct solution is to secure a non-combat zone in most of Syria and allow them
to return to their homes and rebuild damaged infrastructures and support there.

"Narazoo" is long on accusations but short on documented references to support any of these accusations against Syrian refugees!

Repeating the same assertion doesn't make it so!

 

[Desert Reign]

But this incident is the sort of incident that happens not every year, not every month, in Israel. Not even every week. It happens every day. Every single day of the week Palestinians get up and attempt to murder Israelis. Just think about that.
Every single day. They don't need to do this. They need to engage in normal everyday economic activity. Goodness knows they have had billions of dollars of handouts from the UN and many countries, including the USA. What have they done with it? Zero!

Think about it. These are the people you support. You have listened to their lies and you have listened to the lies of the media, who are almost to a man biased against the only democracy in the Middle East, probably because 'they are only Jews' - they don't matter. Is this what you really want to support, is this what you want to be known for? Don't make Merkel's mistake by thinking that if you are kind to them, they will be kind to you back. They aren't like that. It is time to wake up.

An example of the stupidity of the people some of you support.

 

[SabathMoon]

No, you're mistaken. They are virgins in a spiritual sense, like harlotry can be meant solely in a spiritual sense, in that they did not defile themselves with women, which in that context symbolizes false religions. Jesus never warned people to not have children; rather, Jesus lamented for those who would suffer with infants and newborns during the destruction of Jerusalem by the Romans. God said, "Be fruitful and multiply," and He's never said any different.

Maybe in a mentally retarded understanding, they didn't sacrifice having a wife and kids for the sake of Israel. Think Stephen, for example. "But woe unto them that are with child, and to them that give suck, in those days! for there shall be great distress in the land, and wrath upon this people." There is no such thing as a virgin boy or male.

 

[Nazaroo]

There is no such thing as a virgin boy or male.

Thats just what a child molester would say.

 

[SabathMoon]

Thats just what a child molester would say.

Only baby girls are born virgins, dork.

 

[Nazaroo]

Only baby girls are born virgins, dork.

A male or female, unless you are referring to archaic usage or insect etymology.

vir·gin ˈvərjən/ noun noun: virgin; plural noun: virgins 1. a person who has never had sexual intercourse. synonyms:chaste woman/man, celibate; Moreingénue; literarymaiden, maid, vestal "she remained a virgin" the mother of Jesus; the Virgin Mary. singular proper noun: Virgin; noun: the Virgin the zodiacal sign or constellation Virgo. noun: the Virgin archaic a young unmarried woman. "the parable of the wise and foolish virgins" 2. a person who is naive, innocent, or inexperienced, especially in a particular context. "a political virgin" 3. Entomology a female insect that produces eggs without being fertilized. adjective adjective: virgin 1. being, relating to, or appropriate for a virgin. "his virgin bride" synonyms:chaste, virginal, celibate, abstinent; Moremaiden, maidenly; pure, uncorrupted, undefiled, unsullied, innocent; literaryvestal "virgin girls" 2. not yet touched, used, or exploited. "acres of virgin forests" synonyms:untouched, unspoiled, untainted, immaculate, pristine, flawless; Morespotless, unsullied, unpolluted, undefiled, perfect; unchanged, intact; unexplored, uncharted, unmapped; uncolonized "virgin forest" (of clay) not yet fired. (of wool) not yet, or only once, spun or woven. (of olive oil) obtained from the first pressing of olives. (of metal) made from ore by smelting. Origin Middle English: from Old French virgine, from Latin virgo, virgin- .

 

[SabathMoon]

Sorry, but the bible never names anything male, as virgins, except dead matyrs.

 

[Nazaroo]

Sorry, but the bible never names anything male, as virgins, except dead matyrs.

The bible never provides a dictionary either.

And the relatively small sample of word usage in the bible itself is insufficient to provide
meanings for many important words used.

hapax legomena for instance are words that appear ONLY ONCE.

http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/judaica/ejud_0002_0008_0_08389.html There are in biblical Hebrew about 1,300 hapax legomena (yet their precise number cannot be stated, since the exact definition is not clear as to whether or not they include homonymic hapax legomena). Most of them (about 900) are not too difficult to interpret, being derived from well-known biblical roots (as ʿemdah, Micah 1:11, moʿomad, Ps. 69:3, both denoting "standing ground," being derived from the well-known root עמד, "to stand"). About 400, however, cannot be derived from known biblical roots and are therefore more difficult to interpret. Occurring only once, their exact meaning is more difficult to establish from context than that of words attested more often. Except for this fact and the possibility that hapax legomena may have arisen through error in transmission, the philological treatment of hapax legomena does not differ from that of words occurring more often. The meaning of both is elucidated by comparison with other Semitic languages, which often makes it possible to establish the etymology of the word treated.

That being said, there are probably over 200 words that no one knows the meaning of,
simply because the species of animals and birds and insects have changed over 4,000 years,
some becoming extinct and others migrating or having their habitats altered due to
climate change.

English translators have sometimes made guesses, and at other times substituted local species,
or given fanciful or legendary interpretations to difficult passages.

Thus there is a "unicorn" in the bible but not in Hebrew.

The "behemoth" is a mere transliteration, and 'leviathan' is unknown.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pZarpsqvTmA


Even the New Testament suffers from a remainder of words which occur only once,
or which have either obscure or multiple meanings that create translational or interpretational difficulties:

And of course the N.T. is only 1/4 the size of the Bible, so there is even less of a sample
to try to work out the meaning for certain words.

https://community.logos.com/search/SearchResults.aspx?u=2737 Mark Barnes | Fo Here's a list of NT hapax legomena generated from Logos 5, with a bit of manipulating in Excel. The document contains two lists, one in Scripture order, and one in alphabetical order. (There's also a version for the Hebrew Bible.) 3465.Hapax Legomena.docx

 

[SabathMoon]

The bible never provides a dictionary either.

And the relatively small sample of word usage in the bible itself is insufficient to provide
meanings for many important words used.

hapax legomena for instance are words that appear ONLY ONCE.

http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/judaica/ejud_0002_0008_0_08389.html

There are in biblical Hebrew about 1,300 hapax legomena (yet their precise number cannot be stated, since the exact definition is not clear as to whether or not they include homonymic hapax legomena). Most of them (about 900) are not too difficult to interpret, being derived from well-known biblical roots (as ʿemdah, Micah 1:11, moʿomad, Ps. 69:3, both denoting "standing ground," being derived from the well-known root עמד, "to stand"). About 400, however, cannot be derived from known biblical roots and are therefore more difficult to interpret. Occurring only once, their exact meaning is more difficult to establish from context than that of words attested more often. Except for this fact and the possibility that hapax legomena may have arisen through error in transmission, the philological treatment of hapax legomena does not differ from that of words occurring more often. The meaning of both is elucidated by comparison with other Semitic languages, which often makes it possible to establish the etymology of the word treated.

That being said, there are probably over 200 words that no one knows the meaning of,
simply because the species of animals and birds and insects have changed over 4,000 years,
some becoming extinct and others migrating or having their habitats altered due to
climate change.

English translators have sometimes made guesses, and at other times substituted local species,
or given fanciful or legendary interpretations to difficult passages.

Thus there is a "unicorn" in the bible but not in Hebrew.

The "behemoth" is a mere transliteration, and 'leviathan' is unknown.

Even the New Testament suffers from a remainder of words which occur only once,
or which have either obscure or multiple meanings that create translational or interpretational difficulties:

And of course the N.T. is only 1/4 the size of the Bible, so there is even less of a sample
to try to work out the meaning for certain words.

Here's a list of NT hapax legomena generated from Logos 5, with a bit of manipulating in Excel. The document contains two lists, one in Scripture order, and one in alphabetical order. (There's also a version for the Hebrew Bible.)

You can't find an instance of human male virgins in the Bible, can you? Or perhaps, you are just being a prude? The word virgin and the cognates in Hebrew and Koine appear more than once in the bible. There is no doubt as to what they are talking about.

The verse in Revelation is about dead martyrs, but that isn't fair to the living, or is it?

And yes, the archaic usage is the biblical usage. Before you slander again, keep this definition in mind.

 

[Nazaroo]

You can't find an instance of human male virgins in the Bible, can you? Or perhaps, you are just being a prude? The word virgin and the cognates in Hebrew and Koine appear more than once in the bible. There is no doubt as to what they are talking about.

The verse in Revelation is about dead martyrs, but that isn't fair to the living, or is it?

And yes, the archaic usage is the biblical usage. Before you slander again, keep this definition in mind.

Are you retarded?

Its impossible to translate a Bible into English or another language
without appealing to EXTRA-BIBLICAL sources, to resolve difficulties.

There is no single 'biblical usage' for many words, because the bible spans 4,000 years
of changing language and usage, and also 5 ancient languages.

To translate it, you need to know three different stages of Hebrew,
Aramaic and its cognates, Koine Greek, and Roman Latin.

As we've stated, there are some 200 words that have no definition at all,
because the knowledge of what those words represented has been lost to the ages.

Tell me genius, what a Behemoth is, or a Leviathan.

Explain why "unicorn" is in the Authorized Version.

While you're at it, explain to me why 200 whole and half-verses are missing
from "modern translations" of the New Testament.

Give me a list of the inspired books of the Old and New Testaments,
and please give your version of why Song of Solomon is in the Hebrew Bible,
whether Job and Jonah is fact or fiction,
and why even Catholics count Maccabees as Holy Scripture.

Tell me why the Book of Enoch was rejected from the Canon by Jerome.
And how Revelation became included.